Observations from Moscow

Tue Sep 27 05:19:36 UTC 2022

Ukraine is not calling the shots, it’s a proxy war and Zelensky a well paid actor. The majority of people in the Donbass want out and identify as Russian. Same in Crimea. There will be no imperial Nato driven army  using Ukraine as a corridor to enter Russia. 25 million Russians died the last time and it will not happen again. So far Russia has been extremely careful of civilian life  But they will not allow this Nato army to continue shelling  Donbass cities with no military value. 

America’s role in the world is not a savior or defender of human rights but a brutal overlord whose days of hegemony are numbered.  Below are exerpts from the original wolfowitz (neocon) doctrine, as revealed by the nyt in 1992:

‘A 46-page document that has been circulating at the highest levels of the Pentagon for weeks…states that part of the American mission will be “convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests.”

…the case for a world dominated by one superpower whose position can be perpetuated by constructive behavior and sufficient military might to deter any nation or group of nations from challenging American primacy.

…the United States “must sufficiently account for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order”.

Its drafting has been supervised by Paul D. Wolfowitz.

the new draft sketches a world in which there is one dominant military power whose leaders “must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.”

in the event of a resurgent threat from Russia, “we should plan to defend against such a threat” farther forward on the territories of Eastern Europe”

Extend Western defense commitment into Eastern Europe’

After the wolfowitz doctrine was the PNAC, in 1998, and it is still in play, regardless which party is in power in the US (even though it was primarily a republican dominated project).

> On Sep 26, 2022, at 3:34 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Joe
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> I don't think many readers of Pynchon are blinded to the errors and evils of the West. There is much to criticize and agonize over. Admittedly, it is hard for me to have any sympathy for Russia's actions, being fully ware of the inherent corruption in much of the history of Ukraine. I sometimes tell myself that a life-changing event like the war may change things for the better in Ukraine, but I'm not holding my breath. Much of the life falls into that gray area and we all muddle through somehow. sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils. I just think Ukraine is the lesser of two evils in this case.
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> rich
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> On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:55 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> Thanks for the compliment. 
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> You sound like you are still in the club of true believers in truth justice and the american way. Look up in the air; it’s a bird, it’s a plane, holy shit it's a mushroom cloud..
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>> On Sep 26, 2022, at 10:19 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com <mailto:richard.romeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> C'mon man. you're starting to sound like Roger Waters
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>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 6:27 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
>> > Why does a "special operation" take seven months and require conscription of civilians after seven months ?    
>> Why?Because Nato has taken over the operation of the Ukrainian army and recruited mercenaries? Why? Because Russia has not done this special military operation in the manner of shock and awe US mass killing with massive civilian casualties, but is trying to get the Ukraine to come to its senses?  Why? Because time and the coming winter are going to change European politics.  Why? Because the fundamental goal was to free the Donbass where citizens just voted for alliance with Russia. Why because Russia is building a evidence from Banderista-nazi cell phones on war crimes and intends in the long run to show another version of what is happening.  Why? Because the Russsians thought Ukrainians would lose their taste for self immolation while Zelensky offers them and their children as slaves to wall street. 
>> Why? Because Russia and China are picking up allies from around the world who are sick of US hegemony and World Bank slavery.
>>  As to people leaving Russia. The numbers are trivial. Why leave? They probably don’t want to go to war for something they don’t believe in and they probably believe they will find ‘freedom’ in the west. Have at it; It won’t hurt Russia or make any real difference. The Russian economy is not in nearly the trouble that Germany UK and US are, and a few thousand departures will make little difference. There are also thousands fleeing Nato territory for Russia.  People try to escape trouble and death during war. Very sensible. 
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>> Apologists for the corrupt anglo empire and its endless resource wars were wrong about Syria, wrong about Afghanistan, wrong about Libya, Iraq, Hillary, Russiagate and will continue to be blinded by the neocon press. The empire is tottering and the only thing it can now summon to terrify the world is nuclear war.  Disgusting and fucking insane. May they reap what they sow.
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>> > On Sep 25, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Darah Kehnemuyi via Pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
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>> > Thank you, David.  Good to know.   Why does a "special operation" take seven months and require conscription of civilians after seven months ?                     D.
>> >    On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 08:10:19 AM EDT, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:  
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>> > https://twitter.com/natashasrussia/status/1573420976569737223?s=46&t=2p5Y2ov4hTd-1K9LzRmdWg <https://twitter.com/natashasrussia/status/1573420976569737223?s=46&t=2p5Y2ov4hTd-1K9LzRmdWg>
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>> > 1. Yesterday people were in shock, right now they are a little bit waking
>> > up and starting to ask right questions.
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>> > The majority are trying to find ways how to hide their sons or husbands.
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>> > 2. A huge number of businessmen already left, others are in the process.
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>> > Even the girl I know who was supporting ze operation and who works at the
>> > key production(they produce engines) told me today her boses (who were just
>> > meeting Putin) are planning to leave.
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>> > 3. Today for the first time she asked me: “is this true that there are
>> > Nazis in Ukraine and the west hates us?”
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>> > After my answers, she asked: “so why all of this?”
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>> > 4. And BTW they have issues with parts and the most important engines they
>> > produce can’t work, it’s only a model.
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>> > I predicted this a few months ago, but all of them were gaslighting me. Now
>> > they think I know smth…
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>> > 5. Parents of my friends who watch zombie TV started to ask questions: “Do
>> > you think there is gonna be war?”
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>> > 6. People still think it won’t directly affect them, while others are in
>> > panic and shock because their relatives got an order and they have never
>> > served in army. Orders are handed everywhere, on streets at work by their
>> > accountants etc.
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>> > 7. It looks like the majority still are not getting what’s going on and
>> > hardly imagine where their men are sent to.
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