Observations from Moscow

Tue Sep 27 12:28:58 UTC 2022

An unfiltered honesty emerges from a miasma of deceit and self deception.
An astonishing level of reality denial.
A cultish religious fervor.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:20 AM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Ukraine is not calling the shots, it’s a proxy war and Zelensky a well
> paid actor. The majority of people in the Donbass want out and identify as
> Russian. Same in Crimea. There will be no imperial Nato driven army  using
> Ukraine as a corridor to enter Russia. 25 million Russians died the last
> time and it will not happen again. So far Russia has been extremely careful
> of civilian life  But they will not allow this Nato army to continue
> shelling  Donbass cities with no military value.
>
> America’s role in the world is not a savior or defender of human rights
> but a brutal overlord whose days of hegemony are numbered.  Below are
> exerpts from the original wolfowitz (neocon) doctrine, as revealed by the
> nyt in 1992:
>
> ‘A 46-page document that has been circulating at the highest levels of the
> Pentagon for weeks…states that part of the American mission will be
> “convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater
> role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate
> interests.”
>
> …the case for a world dominated by one superpower whose position can be
> perpetuated by constructive behavior and sufficient military might to deter
> any nation or group of nations from challenging American primacy.
>
> …the United States “must sufficiently account for the interests of the
> advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our
> leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic
> order”.
>
> Its drafting has been supervised by Paul D. Wolfowitz.
>
> the new draft sketches a world in which there is one dominant military
> power whose leaders “must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential
> competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.”
>
> in the event of a resurgent threat from Russia, “we should plan to defend
> against such a threat” farther forward on the territories of Eastern Europe”
>
> Extend Western defense commitment into Eastern Europe’
>
> After the wolfowitz doctrine was the PNAC, in 1998, and it is still in
> play, regardless which party is in power in the US (even though it was
> primarily a republican dominated project).
>
>
>
> > On Sep 26, 2022, at 3:34 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Joe
> >
> > I don't think many readers of Pynchon are blinded to the errors and
> evils of the West. There is much to criticize and agonize over. Admittedly,
> it is hard for me to have any sympathy for Russia's actions, being fully
> ware of the inherent corruption in much of the history of Ukraine. I
> sometimes tell myself that a life-changing event like the war may change
> things for the better in Ukraine, but I'm not holding my breath. Much of
> the life falls into that gray area and we all muddle through somehow.
> sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils. I just think Ukraine is
> the lesser of two evils in this case.
> >
> > rich
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:55 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> > Thanks for the compliment.
> >
> > You sound like you are still in the club of true believers in truth
> justice and the american way. Look up in the air; it’s a bird, it’s a
> plane, holy shit it's a mushroom cloud..
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 26, 2022, at 10:19 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com <mailto:
> richard.romeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> C'mon man. you're starting to sound like Roger Waters
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 6:27 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <mailto:
> brook7 at sover.net>> wrote:
> >> > Why does a "special operation" take seven months and require
> conscription of civilians after seven months ?
> >> Why?Because Nato has taken over the operation of the Ukrainian army and
> recruited mercenaries? Why? Because Russia has not done this special
> military operation in the manner of shock and awe US mass killing with
> massive civilian casualties, but is trying to get the Ukraine to come to
> its senses?  Why? Because time and the coming winter are going to change
> European politics.  Why? Because the fundamental goal was to free the
> Donbass where citizens just voted for alliance with Russia. Why because
> Russia is building a evidence from Banderista-nazi cell phones on war
> crimes and intends in the long run to show another version of what is
> happening.  Why? Because the Russsians thought Ukrainians would lose their
> taste for self immolation while Zelensky offers them and their children as
> slaves to wall street.
> >> Why? Because Russia and China are picking up allies from around the
> world who are sick of US hegemony and World Bank slavery.
> >>  As to people leaving Russia. The numbers are trivial. Why leave? They
> probably don’t want to go to war for something they don’t believe in and
> they probably believe they will find ‘freedom’ in the west. Have at it; It
> won’t hurt Russia or make any real difference. The Russian economy is not
> in nearly the trouble that Germany UK and US are, and a few thousand
> departures will make little difference. There are also thousands fleeing
> Nato territory for Russia.  People try to escape trouble and death during
> war. Very sensible.
> >>
> >> Apologists for the corrupt anglo empire and its endless resource wars
> were wrong about Syria, wrong about Afghanistan, wrong about Libya, Iraq,
> Hillary, Russiagate and will continue to be blinded by the neocon press.
> The empire is tottering and the only thing it can now summon to terrify the
> world is nuclear war.  Disgusting and fucking insane. May they reap what
> they sow.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 25, 2022, at 8:52 AM, Darah Kehnemuyi via Pynchon-l <
> pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thank you, David.  Good to know.   Why does a "special operation"
> take seven months and require conscription of civilians after seven months
> ?                     D.
> >> >    On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 08:10:19 AM EDT, David Morris <
> fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> https://twitter.com/natashasrussia/status/1573420976569737223?s=46&t=2p5Y2ov4hTd-1K9LzRmdWg
> <
> https://twitter.com/natashasrussia/status/1573420976569737223?s=46&t=2p5Y2ov4hTd-1K9LzRmdWg
> >
> >> >
> >> > 1. Yesterday people were in shock, right now they are a little bit
> waking
> >> > up and starting to ask right questions.
> >> >
> >> > The majority are trying to find ways how to hide their sons or
> husbands.
> >> >
> >> > 2. A huge number of businessmen already left, others are in the
> process.
> >> >
> >> > Even the girl I know who was supporting ze operation and who works at
> the
> >> > key production(they produce engines) told me today her boses (who
> were just
> >> > meeting Putin) are planning to leave.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Today for the first time she asked me: “is this true that there are
> >> > Nazis in Ukraine and the west hates us?”
> >> >
> >> > After my answers, she asked: “so why all of this?”
> >> >
> >> > 4. And BTW they have issues with parts and the most important engines
> they
> >> > produce can’t work, it’s only a model.
> >> >
> >> > I predicted this a few months ago, but all of them were gaslighting
> me. Now
> >> > they think I know smth…
> >> >
> >> > 5. Parents of my friends who watch zombie TV started to ask
> questions: “Do
> >> > you think there is gonna be war?”
> >> >
> >> > 6. People still think it won’t directly affect them, while others are
> in
> >> > panic and shock because their relatives got an order and they have
> never
> >> > served in army. Orders are handed everywhere, on streets at work by
> their
> >> > accountants etc.
> >> >
> >> > 7. It looks like the majority still are not getting what’s going on
> and
> >> > hardly imagine where their men are sent to.
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