Ukraine

[David Morris]

Despite your extensive knowledge and personal history, don’t expect the
brainwashed to believe you, or to even consider what you’re saying.

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 9:47 AM Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:

> I really did not want to react to this conspiracy bullshit anymore, but
> nevertheless:
>
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 at 15:25, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > *"On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into
> > Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area *
>
>
> Wrong. This is simply made up. Sources trace back to Rashist propaganda.
>
>
> *(in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians.*
>
>
> Wrong. You want to catch up with the region's history, also learn
> understand that in postcolonial societies primary language of communication
> not necessarily corresponds to ethnicity or even self-perceived identity.
>
> Mike Whitney (and you, since you share his text) really has no clue about
> Ukraine. Him being an editor on Eastern Europe does not mean a thing here,
> because Eastern Europe is not exactly small, and traditionally people have
> concentrated on Russia and adapted Russian narratives on other Eastern
> European countries.
>
> His nonsense fits well into some people's (ignorant) beliefs. That's how
> people start being considered "experts" nowadays. Ouch.
>
>
>
> > * Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security
> and
> > Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time
> and
> > kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered
> > was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on
> until
> > it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes
> > were recorded. *
>
>
> Yup, there may have been shelling, but not by Ukrainian forces.
>
>
> *Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas
> > along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.” *
>
>
> I thought it was Russians living there? Mike seems confused. Doesn't
> surprise me.
>
>
> * While it might be in vogue for people, organizations, and governments in
> > the West to embrace the knee-jerk conclusion that Russia’s military
> > intervention constitutes a wanton violation of the United Nations Charter
> > and, as such, constitutes an illegal war of aggression,*
>
>
> It is. What else should this be?
>
>
> > * the uncomfortable truth is that, of all the claims made regarding the
> > legality of pre-emption under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter,
> > Russia’s justification for invading Ukraine is on solid legal ground.”
> > (“Russia, Ukraine & the Law of War: Crime of Aggression
> > <
> https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/29/russia-ukraine-the-law-of-war-crime-of-aggression/
> > <
> https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/29/russia-ukraine-the-law-of-war-crime-of-aggression/
> >>**”,
> > Consortium News)*
> >
>
> Scott Ritter. This time not for RT but consortiumnews. That changes
> everything, doesn't it?
>
> This whole stuff is just so ridiculous that it should really be ignored.
>
> End of transmission.
>
> --
> Dr. Martin Dietze
> [https://www.martins-braindumps.de/]
>
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