GRAYZONE, that black rag: Can't cut & paste

[Mark Kohut]

Yeah, as Bobby D, some kind of acquaintance of Tom's at least, is always
singing, "we never did
too much talking anyway" or anymore in our Plist case....

Tom on domination and power, imperialism that isn't only the USAs, which HE
f'in knew and knows.
Those Russian Generals eating Brigadier Putin Shit?....Putin and his
masculine fixation, obviously in love
with sick gayness becuse he hates gays. That Philosopher of Russian Nazism
whpping Putin into mental shape,
some kind of incestously in love with his daughter---who Ukrainians blew up
in a car.....

Had I enough preening ego; I have just Goldilocks enough, I hope, I would
send around my little birthday
lecture, talk about Gravity's Rainbow on its birthday but only three from
the current Plist even tried to come, (but
one of them was Dr. Krafft, who originally suggested Zooming it---THAT
FAILED, long story---) the other was
David M.    Two who may have left this list responded on Facebook.   In
that talk,  I talked of some current
history reflected conceptually.......here's one prescient remark of Tom the
Great.....He asks in this book in 1973
if it is 'the end of history" that phrase made famous decades later and, of
course, in GR, the answer is always No.

NOBODY else seemed to care....as I told Dr. Krafft, almost no one seems to
care on this list anymore.....

Anyway, Dee Killroy, don't be a self-inflicted Killjoy and leave....keep on
criticizing and also posting whatever.




On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 2:40 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder what political events Pynchon’s might be paying attention to right
> now. Surely the author of Gravity‘s Rainbow has some opinion about the
> latest “Super Power” war-fever dream of Putin.  This period of time seems
> pivotal to many. God forbid reality interrupt discussion of whatever
> Pynchon topics we weren’t talking about anyway…
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 1:51 PM Dee Kilroy <deadendkid76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This speaks directly to my seventeen year experience of P-list:
> >
> > "When I started participating in the Pynchon List, the written work of
> > Pynchon was the prime topic. Politial implications of the work could be
> > exceptionally dicey but there was a balance of voices. Over the years
> many
> > have left and it is my sense that a primary reason is the ever growing
> > drift into topics that are not connected to Pynchon’s writing. Later
> group
> > readings began to peter out unfinished. Off topic arguments pushed people
> > away."
> >
> > Fandoms are frustrating, and in the context of the modern
> > internet-for-everyone, frequently toxic.  The last three times I have
> > joined up-- during a read / research phase, usually, tied directly to an
> > annual read of one of my favorite Pynchon novels --I have lasted an
> average
> > of three months before the noise-to-signal ratio overwhelms my compulsion
> > to clean my inbox.  I am tired of opening my mail to noxious grumbling
> from
> > internet authorities-slash-cranks about how wicked & inhuman neocons /
> > neolibs are.  I am not here for polemics.  I am here for Pynchon.
> >
> > Everyone on this list, fan & cranks, KNOWS the secret chiefs of this
> world
> > are malevolent putzes.  In P-list's present iteration, most of the
> missives
> > I've received on this subject are not informative or inspiring.  Before,
> > they were tedious; now that things have yet again slalomed into slanging
> > territory, it's all below boorish.
> >
> > I am unsubscribing if this persists and it shall be a permanent
> departure.
> > The cranks sha'n't care, and why should they?  I haven't contributed
> > anything they're interested in hearing.  Which principally seems to be
> > echoes.  Echoes.  Echoes.
> >
> > The last time I left, it was because a troll (and it truly doesn't matter
> > who; naming names & blaming blame does sweet F.A. in a flamewar) decided
> I
> > was worth attacking.  I believe it was for relating a personal anecdote
> of
> > being a teenage runaway, which got a real sweet, snide "Everyone has a
> > story" from one of the shit-stirrers.  Why did it get personal?  Search
> > me.  It just did.  So I left.  Stayed away so long, when I came back,
> > P-list was on a whole new server & running new software.
> >
> > The next time I send an unsubscribe command it will be because there is
> > nothing left in P-list worth preserving.
> >
> > Sincerely, cranks?  If I wanted to know what Josh Marshall was typing
> > today, I would not have stopped browsing Talking Points Memo over a
> damned
> > decade ago.  Schtum with the copypasta.
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