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[Joseph Tracy]

Mark and Martin
You probably noticed but are less willing to deal with the CNN report. As to the CIA report, it may also be that they are better at what they do than you admit. There was also an election last year in this region. There are several western reporters who have been in the Donbass also saying the same thing and getting harassed by Germany and UK for telling what they see, and many reports from Crimea with the same message. But somehow you have special knowledge because of some personal experience that no others can verify. The region occupied by, and now allied to  Russia, is clearly thankful for their presence. They were absolutely, as confirmed by many historical witnesses including the UN, under assault from the Kyv government whose validity they legitimately rejected at the time of the coup.
   If Trump had succeeded in his coup attempt and states rejected that and the Trump governemt attacked those states, then who would be in the right?

I have listened to conversations with dozens of people in the Donbass and trust their local direct experience far more than the knowledge base either of you refer to. Anyway the CIA finding was an interesting add-on not a conclusive argument.  The CNN report is far more telling, both about how narratives in Mainstream media can change according to global politics and what the reporter, who is clearly appalled is actually seeing in 2014. These are bservations that I have made based on similar reports from diverse sources from the time of the coup that startd this this proxy war, to the Nazis visiting Disneyland and Hollywood.

Mark, Calling me unbelieveable is silly, and does not qualify as a reasoned argument any more than your garbled incoherent sentences qualify as sentences.

> On Mar 28, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Darah Kehnemuyi via Pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm willing to bet that in 1957 there was a whole lot of feigned and meaningless "pro-Russian" sentiment within the Soviet Union, except for Hungary.              D.
>    On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 05:30:22 AM EDT, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> 1957???!!!!!......O like yesterday, of course.......the pull of non-Russian
> modernity fills even Russia itself and
> THIS, if true, means anything except as history. Joseph you are
> unbelievable.
> 
> Bringing up ANY country, from South Africa to the US, from 1957 and
> ......tell me what conclusions to draw
> about the present..........
> 
> Dear Joseph, lover of Pynchon:    History is a step-function---Thomas
> Pynchon.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 2:33 AM Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Maybe. And what does this tell us about today? You should really get to
>> know the country, talk to a lot of people rather than speculate.
>> 
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 at 06:09, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> CIA analysis from 1957 shows pro-Russian sentiment very strong in Donetsk
>>> and Lugansk
>>> https://twitter.com/danielmkovalik/status/1640354171344900096?s=20 <
>>> https://twitter.com/danielmkovalik/status/1640354171344900096?s=20>
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