CoL49 - anarchy

[rich]

Reef is a perfect example of the not-so noble dynamiter. He, for the most
part, just likes blowing shit up.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 6:24 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> To be "more aligned" with the Traverses, which of course he is, is not to
> justify their violence.
>
> Violence judged morally is not done with false equivalencies.   I was
> justified because you were worse. Not an argument.
> To get simplistic; Two wrongs, etc....
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 8:38 PM J K Van Nort <jkvannort at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Webb’s death at the hands of Sloat and Deuce reveals what? They were
> hired
> > by the mine owners.
> >
> >
> > Any violence that the Traverses contributed pales in comparison to the
> > mine owners, bankers, and railroad barons.
> >
> >
> > Did I read a different book? Noble may be hyperbole, but Pynchon seems
> > more aligned with the Traverses than Scarsdale Vibe.
> >
> >
> > In solidarity,
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> > <
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> >
> > On Wednesday, June 19, 2024, 20:10, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I do not think the Traverse family are noble dynamiters....Pynchon
> refutes
> > this with every death of them...
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 8:07 PM J K Van Nort via Pynchon-l <
> > pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:
> >
> > There are two ways to look at anarchy, as has been pointed out by several
> > posts. The bomb-throwing, black clad anarchist of the Porky Pig cartoon
> > being a caricature of the anarchists that assassinated and bombed (or
> > didn't, as the history of the Hay Market bombing reveals). This is the
> > image of anarchy that the state and the corporate world wish to portray.
> > Pynchon treats Web Traverse & family as noble dynamiters in AtD.
> > The other side of anarchy follows more what David described: a
> > non-violent, consensus-based, voluntary action/organization of
> > independent participants that relies on democratic processes and mutual
> > aid. W.A.S.T.E may be an example of the 2nd, but the Zone in GR also
> > represents the non-violent attempt to set up an alternative society.
> > The Occupy Wall Street encampment attempted to prefigure an alternative
> > means of cooperation and community. It had failings, but it was smothered
> > by the politicians before it could coalesce further.
> > While the majority of characters in the book seem to fear anarchy, they
> > represent the portion of the population cowed by the threat of violence
> > from which the police “protect” us.
> > In solidarity,
> > James
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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