CoL49 Group reading - more responsive responses

[Mark Kohut]

For a writer to tell us of NOT seeing, no one seeing,  a sunrise is a
clever, maybe beautiful subversion of a romantic trope...imo.

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 5:02 AM J K Van Nort via Pynchon-l <
pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:

> Greetings Michael,
> I went on Google Maps, and the Uris Library has a western slope where it
> seems obvious students would lay, sit facing west. You would have to be
> looking uphill, against the grain, to see a sunrise come over the building.
> There is a path, from where the maps street view image is taken, that they
> may have been walking along to see a sunrise, while everyone else was
> looking west.
> Oed’s memory felt like a moment when the two lovers had simpatico, feeling
> their love allowed them to see what others didn’t. Along with the images of
> the birds flying and the Bartok music, are sacred/sublime memories set
> against the door slamming and the Gould bust profane images, hinting at
> their different views that possibly led to their breakup.
> I posted the view of the library and slope in the Pynchon wiki, if you’d
> like to see it.
> In solidarity,
> James
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> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> On Monday, May 6, 2024, 02:27, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 12:04 AM Michael Bailey <
> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 1) How do Mucho Maas' self-recriminations reflect an alternative to
> > Oedipa's Tupperware world?
>
>
> He’s one of the many in the Schlemiel line. The noble loser.  They each
> have specific flavors, eras, and sometimes gender.  Mucho and Oedipa are
> both in the plastic hell-purgatory, and we don’t get the sense that either
> one is on any fulfilling path. Both stuck in limbo until Oedipa is Pierced
> from the other side of the Veil.
>
> Whet she accepts her quest, she graduates from the passive Schlemiel to
> active Mensch, following a heroic path.  It might also be observed that
> some Pynchon’s questing mensch become deranged, some transcendent.
>
> David Morris
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