CoL49 group reading - Rapunzel musings

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I know you don't disagree with me.



On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 9:53 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don’t disagree with you, BTW, but maybe you have read the book?
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 9:43 PM O G <octogonalyoyo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Circles of consciousness, rather.
>>
>> Orbit, damn you!  Orbit!
>>
>> Lack of love of self certainly explains a few things, doesn't it.  Taste
>> in men, sort of thing.  It is a reasonable assessment that the woman, bless
>> her heart, would not see a prince in a human error who has a bust of a
>> fraudster capitalist over his headboard, if she loved herself.  Or let
>> lawyers rape her on cheap motel floors.
>>
>> Divine Love is a self-love.  The Master isn't going to set you free into
>> the circulating fields of infinite consciousness, if you don't love
>> yourself first.
>>
>> Of course the greatest of artists are conscious of what we call the
>> unconscious.  Which is vital and alive and aware, superconscious, to say
>> the least.  And of course connected.  Your unconscious is Aware, and
>> attached to all others.  They communicate, make love.  Codified in the
>> chromosomes, the genes, whatever, everything is an idea materialized.
>>
>> Again, the greatest artists are a bleeding through of prime reality.  You
>> can do it too, you are just closed off at the moment.  This author, count
>> on it.  It knows what is happening.
>>
>> Damn it, where is my Herodote, this shit isn't hard.  Consciousness forms
>> matter.  Matter is a form of consciousness.  This system is just one of
>> many with totally different rules that govern the blind.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 8:05 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>>> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if we have to know ourselves aright, to love ourselves rightly, then I
>>>> see Oedipa, from the
>>>> allusive name and her quest to be seeking self-knowledge even
>>>> though---isn't it a condition
>>>> of full self-awareness that you can't really realize what you are
>>>> seeking?
>>>
>>>
>>> “Realization” is another term for “Enlightenment” in Consciousness
>>> Circles.  Many consider it a more-accurate term, because Enlightenment
>>> sounds like a final point of total Consciousness possible. But realizations
>>> can be extremely powerful and profound, but they are not end points. And
>>> they are a multitude, not a single universal ultimate state.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 12:20 AM O G <octogonalyoyo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Maybe she is lacking/searching for self-love, maybe without even
>>>> realizing
>>>> > it.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, May 18, 2024, 2:24 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Yes. This is pretty much  how I am reading Oed’s psychological
>>>> terrain
>>>> > > seen through the Rapunzel story.. My sense is that she can lo
>>>> longer play
>>>> > > the role of maiden saved by Prince because a) PI is 3/4ths asshole
>>>> and b)
>>>> > > he has not brought true escape but a realization about the deeper
>>>> nature
>>>> > of
>>>> > > her entrapment.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Her tower length hair as  genuine outgrowth of feminine identity is
>>>> > > severed by that realization and what remains is no longer a
>>>> sustainable
>>>> > > connection to herself or  PI.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > On May 18, 2024, at 9:17 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 5:00 AM Michael
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > > “Suppose that climbing the hair is the legitimate way to woo -
>>>> dealing
>>>> > > > directly with something that grows out of her, and entering her
>>>> > > imprisoning
>>>> > > > environment via Oedipa herself, whereupon they bond and escape
>>>> that
>>>> > > > environment. […]
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > [***]Something[***] interferes with the fairytale”
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > SOMETHING? It’s identities as:
>>>> > > > “some sinister sorcery”
>>>> > > > And:
>>>> > > > “ having no apparatus except gut, fear and female, cunning to
>>>> examine
>>>> > the
>>>> > > > formless magic, to understand how it works, how to measure its
>>>> field
>>>> > > > strength, count its lines of force”
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > But a more precise, deeper look by Oed reveals that the fairy
>>>> tale is
>>>> > not
>>>> > > > so easily understood.  The Tower is seemingly inescapable,
>>>> because it
>>>> > > > FOLLOWS HER, as in, “Wherever you go, There you are!”
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > “ such a captive maiden [Oed] Soon realizes *the tower [is]* like
>>>> her
>>>> > > > ego, *only
>>>> > > > incidental*.”
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The tower, like her ego, are fictional, constructs, artificial
>>>> devices,
>>>> > > > which are symptoms of an invisible and ubiquitous “Magic,
>>>> anonymous and
>>>> > > > malignant, visited on her from outside and for no reason at all.”
>>>> > One’s
>>>> > > > Ego is an attempt to meditate a fatally wounded inner psyche with
>>>> the
>>>> > > > slave’s fate once finds thwarting the desires of the Id (Pynch was
>>>> > deeply
>>>> > > > into Freud at the time. It’s an ever-frustrating inescapable task.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > So there was no way that she could be rescued by a man.  The
>>>> > > Counter-magic
>>>> > > > escapes her right now. But that’s what she’s looking for on her
>>>> quest.
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