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[Mark Kohut]

I am reading a terrific 'concept history"book of the word
now.....meaning changes and follw=ows use, as we know.
It is a wonderful history of generosity in the West via various writers
and philosophers

On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 4:06 PM Joseph Tracy via Pynchon-l <
pynchon-l at waste.org> wrote:

> I question the usefulness and clarity of the term liberal. The earliest
> 14th C meaning is om late 14c. as "selfless, magnanimous, admirable;" In
> the King James Bible it is used in this way with an emphasis on
> generosity. The word is used often and is a term of high praise for
> those who give to the poor and watch out for those in need of help...
> not so much free as freely giving within one's community.
>     The word takes a strong turn toward the political where it can mean
> licentious as a criticism or favoring individual freedom, or in the US
> "favorable to government action to effect social change,". Then we have
> neoliberalism  which can justify the worst of predatory capitalism,  a
> belief in free markets, and a political agenda which allows socialism
> for Europeans but strictly and violently opposes it  in Africa, Latin
> America etc.
>   In other word, huge confusion of basic meaning, both a term of
> derision and a term often laced with hypocrisy depending who is using
> the word , and how they use it. I prefer a more plain language
> description of political goals and affinities. Many who embrace the term
> have good and consistent lives and what the word means to them is useful
> and inspirational. The   process trends toward an unreal dualism and
> binary thinking which fails to correspond to the real situation.
>    There is a similar breakdown in the terms right and left.  Who does
> not have many things they wish to conserve,   and who does not want
> positive change and progress?
> Also...both parties get political donations from the same range of
> lobbyists, corporations, etc., both consistently support US wars and and
> the actions of Netanyahu/Israel.
>
>
>
> On 7/9/26 10:21 PM, Michael Bailey via Pynchon-l wrote:
> > Are we sure we're not getting into "circular firing squad" territory
> here? Liberals might not be 100% good but nobody's perfect.
> >
> > You've got 10 spoons of energy for the day (to borrow an analogy) - you
> run out before you get to addressing every issue and maybe you
> misunderstood one or more things (the importance of Palestine, eg) - or
> somebody with 40 spoons is pushing in the bad direction despite your best
> efforts - does that make you MAGA, or "just as bad"?
> >
> > Heck no, imho!
> >
> > A-and that Phil Ocha, master of tuneful though depressing insights, umm
> didn't he kill himself? Wrong turn somewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Pynchon-l<pynchon-l-bounces at waste.org> on behalf of Mark Kohut<
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2026 12:01 PM
> > To: pynchon -l<pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Subject: Fwd: Connect with like-minded progressives on the Nation Cruise
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> > Renamed the "Thomas Frank Liberals" cruise....
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> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Mark Kohut<mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, Jul 9, 2026 at 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Fwd: Connect with like-minded progressives on the Nation Cruise
> > To: Mark Kohut<mark.kohut at gmail.com>
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