US actively works Europe to not help Ukraine...

[Joseph Tracy]

The British , and Nato and US have military personnel there and are 
directly involved in military operations. The US destroyed the pipeline 
and supported the coup. The war from the beginning was  a Banderite hate 
war against Russian speaking people fueled by US and British interests 
in crippling Russia. It could have been ended with the Minsk accords but 
the violence against Russian speaking majority in the Donbass  
continued.It could have ended in Turkey but Boris Johnson urged refusal 
of a peace settlement. Now the Donbass and Crimea are part of Russia. 
Ukraine  will never be part of NATO and the longer they continue to 
attack, the more territory they are likely to lose, including Odessa, 
which has many Russians and many who opposed the coup. Why you want more 
Ukrainians to die in this hopeless war is beyond me. There is nothing to 
be gained by dragging more Ukrainians from their homes and sending them 
to die. If you hate Russia so much, go and fight yourself.

On 10/13/26 2:16 AM, Martin Dietze wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> Supplying Ukraine with weapons does not by itself make Germany or 
> Britain co-belligerents. The ICRC is quite explicit about this: a 
> state does not become a party to an armed conflict simply by supplying 
> weapons or military equipment. That changes only if it starts using 
> armed force itself or becomes directly involved in military 
> operations. [1]
>
> Nor does Ukraine's right of self-defence stop at the Russian border. 
> If Russia is carrying out military operations against Ukraine from 
> Russian territory, military targets there can in principle be 
> attacked, subject of course to the usual rules of international 
> humanitarian law. [2] So the argument that Russia crossed the border, 
> therefore Ukraine and its supporters must never strike anything on the 
> other side, does not really follow.
>
> As for accepting territorial losses in order to get peace: we have 
> been discussing fascism for quite a while now, and history gives us at 
> least one very obvious warning here. Appeasement did not stop Nazi 
> Germany's territorial expansion. I don't think concessions to an 
> aggressive authoritarian state will buy peace.
>
> And on "Zelensky has milked it for millions": what is the evidence for 
> that? His financial declarations are public. They show that he and his 
> family are wealthy, certainly, but not that he has somehow made 
> millions out of Western aid during the war. If there is evidence that 
> he personally diverted war money, I would be interested to see it.
>
> JT- No I don't think you are interested in any evidence that tells the 
> ugly truth about Zelensky.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>
> [1] 
> https://www.icrc.org/en/document/arms-transfers-parties-armed-conflict-what-law-says 
>
> [2] https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/full-text
>
> On 13. October 2026 at 07:20:42, Joseph Tracy via Pynchon-l 
> (pynchon-l at waste.org) wrote:
>
>> By help Ukraine you mean participate in a war against Russia including
>> bombing sites that are not in territory claimed by the Kiev government
>> but are in Russia. Why is it wrong for Russia to cross a border into
>> Ukraine, but ok for Germany and UK to supply weapons and intel for
>> attacks in Russia?  They are clearly co-belligerants in this NATO aided
>> proxy war. So far Russia has been very restrained because it does not
>> want to start a nuclear war and they know that is the only military
>> deterrence Europe has.
>>    The truth is it is time for Ukraine to accept a loss of territory
>> and save as many lives as possible.
>>
>> Zelensky has milked it for millions just like Ghani and his brother in
>> Afghanistan, time to retire.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/26 3:51 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>> > Absolutely know this...since Putin has Trump's pecker in his pocket as
>> > LBJ used to say....
>> >
>> > hardly a metaphor as a couple Ex--KGB guys have told the world that
>> > Putin has the Epstein files and
>> > more maybe......actual proof of Pedophilia, which means photos at 
>> least...
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 3:09 PM Joseph Tracy <coypoet at mailfence.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> https://scheerpost.com/2026/10/12/russia-satan-and-the-parviscient-crowd/ 
>>
>> > by Edward Curtin
>> > On 10/11/26 5:23 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>> > > https://x.com/LetsArmUKR/status/2109346218035835123?s=20
>> > > --
>> > > Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>> >
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