Friends of mine who grew up near Vacaville and Sack-A-Tomatoes, (that's Sacramento) tell me that teen slackers would get their jollys cruising past the Vacaville hoosegow and holler "Can Charlie come out and play?" Charlie being Manson. Ted Samsel....tejas at infi.net.com/bh419 at freenet-in-a.cwru.edu... "driving a Hudson Hornet on the information superhighway"