enough is enough!

[David Casseres]

Joe Varo sez
>...I was about ready to defend
>Vaska for having taken such heat for making so benign a comment as that
>often times [some] women are hesitant to speak up when in the midst of
>several arguing men.  ...I didn't really get the feeling that the men on
>the list were being slammed for somehow intimidating the women and did
>think that some folks were over-reacting. 
>
>Then I came to the "Enough is Enough" thread where Vaska posted private
>email from Andrew Dinn, apparently without his permission.  I can't defend
>that, by no means (major no-no, taboo, verbooten), and am thus forced to
>reconsider.

Joe, I think you were right both times, not wrong the first time.  I 
wholly agree, Vaska made a completely inoffensive observation that did 
not involve any accuations against the men on the list.

Some of the responses she got were *way* out of line, and it looks like 
Vaska lost her cool and in her well-justified anger did an unjustifiable 
thing.  Not the first time we've seen such a thing on the list, and in 
most cases the rage has eventually given way to something better.  I have 
good friends on this list whom I originally "met" in some ugly exchange 
where I should have minded my manners.

Vaska, you're too good to lose.  Like everyone else in this collective 
shit-fit, you have apologies to make; everyone else, you too.  For my 
part, here's my own apology for standing on the sidelines feeling smug 
and superior, but really just not knowing what to say.



Cheers,
David