Just a thought on Seagull...

[Meg Larson]

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> From: Thomas Vieth <vietht at slf.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
> To: Meg Larson <mgl at tardis.svsu.edu>
> Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org; Jules Siegel <jsiegel at pdc.caribe.net.mx>
> Subject: Re: Just a thought on Seagull...
> Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 4:31 PM
> 
> Hi Meg,
> could you possibly give me the exact spot for the Nietzsche quotation?
> Thomas
>
Hi Thomas.  I got the quote, which is from "On Truth and Lies In a Nonmoral
Sense" from a ridiculously expensive book called _The Rhetorical Tradition:
Readings from Classical Times to the Present_ by Bizzell and Herzberg.  "On
Truth . . ." is actually from _Philosophy and Truth: Selections from
Nietzsche's Notebooks of the Early 1870s_ (1979).  Hope this helps.
Just love that Freiddy!!!
;-)
 
> On Thu, 1 May 1997, Meg Larson wrote:
> 
> > "Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions; they are
> > metaphors that have become worn out and have been drained of sensuous
> > force, coins which have lost their embossing and are now considered as
> > metal and no longer as coins"
> >   ---Friedrich Nietzsche                                               
   
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> > 
> > Meg Larson
> > Saginaw Valley State University
> > mgl at tardis.svsu.edu              
> > 
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> > > From: Jules Siegel <jsiegel at pdc.caribe.net.mx>
> > > To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > > Subject: Re: Just a thought on Seagull...
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 10:50 PM
> > >Jules whines:
> >  
> > > Go look through Thomas Pynchon's works for material derived from
> > > unattributed sources. You'll find plenty. No one here will accuse him
of
> > > plagiarism, of course.
> > > 
> > > I suggest that you compare Thomas Pynchon's descriptions of SHOCK and
> > SHROUD
> > > in V. with the radiation dummies manufactured by Alderson Research
for
> > the
> > > Atomic Energy Commission in 1958-59. I gave Pynchon some of their
press
> > > materials and brochures when he visited me in New York in 1959.
> > > 
> > > Neither Alderson, nor I (nor The New York Times, which published
> > photographs
> > > along with a story about the devices that was part of the press kit)
> > > received any credit.
> > 
> > I knew it!  I just had this sneaking suspicion, mentioned it off-list
to
> > Dr. T, a-and now it's has it? oh yes it has BEEN CONFIRMED--this is
just
> > one big pissing contest between Jules and Pynchon, although it's only
> > manifesting itself through Jules.  The Book is out, and we're losing
our
> > fascination w/ Jules' little coattail trip.  A-and excuse me if I've
got
> > this all wrong, but this is not our perception of the world; it's your
> > projection, Jules.  
> > 
> > When will little Jules just take the goddamn ball and GO HOME?!?!
> > >
> > Eating nails and lots of broken glass 'til my copy gets here, 
> > Meg
> > 
> >  
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