todorov & Hitler's Pope

[calbert at pop.tiac.net]

You write:

> I am amazed that this little rebuttal has garnered no outrage, especially 
> considering the genesis of this thread.  Has this "Church Historian" ever 
> "lived in a highly organized criminal police state?"  Ok, he may have lived 
> at the Vatican...  Gumpel is a true "company man."

...and the vatican is replete with them. I don't believe that Gumpel 
is making huge waves with his effort, my suspicion is that any 
audience for this stuff is pretty much persuaded that the Vatican was 
up to its withered balls in Nazis. But I also believe (and I count 
myself among the most vociferous of vatican baiters on the planet) 
that any such activity spanned a spectrum from omission to comission.
The record of Pius does not seem terribly clear. 

It is important, however, to not slag the faith in an effort to 
critizise the insitution

> The RCC has more money and power than God and has made more dirty deals over 
> the centuries than IG Farben could ever imagine.  "Noble and Saintly" my 
> ass!

If you haven't read the story of Teddy Marchinkus (sp.?) and the 
Banco Ambrosiano, have you got something to look forward to.

love,
cfa