Hitler's Pope

[David Morris]

I think there are two issues being mixed here, related, but separate:

1.  The Pope and all his office entails.
2.  The need for a human mediator.

The crimes/corruption of the RCC and the World-Wide reach of its reach is an 
offshoot thread which allow comparisons to MNC's, but the product of #1 & #2 
above.

1.  The Pope:  He is infallible according to the most basic RCC doctrine.  
This is sheer lunacy on its face.  It is, however, a basic source of the 
crimes/corruption.  The "priestly hierarchy" begins here.

2.  The need for a human mediator:  "Mediator" must be distinguished from 
"Teacher."  The first is necessitated by the unworthiness or unacceptability 
of the seeker, which is "hard-wired" into the relationship, ordained from 
the mouth of the Pope.  The second is necessitated by the inability or 
ignorance of the seeker, which the Teacher hopes to overcome, thus making 
himself obsolete.

IMHO, both #1 & #2 above are sad doctrines.  "Sadness" is multiplied to 
"disheartening" when the world-wide scope their acceptance is considered.

David Morris

>From: "Andignac, David"
>
>As a political entity, I fully understand that the office of the pope and
>the pope himself can invite criticism for practically any move he makes. I
>have no issue with any of the earlier posts concerning these worldy 
>matters.
>
>The post I was replying to seemed in my mind to shift the criticism from a
>political to a spiritual level questioning the validity of the Pope or
>office of the Pope for spiritual guidance.
>
>Perhaps I misunderstood the statement and it was actually saying that it 
>was
>disheartening that Catholics rely on the mediation of the Pope or his 
>office
>in a political sense. I can understand this statement a little better.
>
>I took mediation to mean the necessity of a third party to intercede 
>between
>one person and God. I have not had the honor of the Pope doing this for me
>yet.
>
>David A.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	s~Z >
> > "Andignac, David" wrote:
> > >
> > >         How does my belief in a mediator for spiritual and sacramental
> > > matters within the practive of my religion affect any of you in a
> > negative
> > > way?
> >
> > It doesn't. I have no quarrel with anything you said in your post. The
> > office of the pope takes things a bit further than your belief 'that God
> > can work through others as well as through my own personal interaction
> > with Him (sic) to bring me closer to Him (sic) and improve me as an
> > individual.'

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