GRGR Re: German sadism

[davemarc]

> From: Lorentzen / Nicklaus <lorentzen-nicklaus at t-online.de>
> 
>      the more the war project on the eastern front failed the more
ressources 
>      were detoured into the holocaust.

Or vice versa?  Or an example of simultaneity?
> 
>      when you compare the german antisemitism in those days to the one in

>      countries like france (- dreyfus affair) or russia (- many
spontaneous 
>      pogroms), you'll hardly find a reason to call the german version, as

>      goldhagen does, especially "eliminatiory". & when you take a look at
the 
>      labor market data, you'll see that there was probably less
structural 
>      discrimination against jews in germany than in the usa or in gb.
that's 
>      also true for academia. 

I don't see that at all.  Especially post-Nuremberg Laws.  In the case of
the Dreyfuss affair, it's important to take note that it was a domestic as
well as an international scandal.  In other words, France was openly
divided over the case.  By the late Thirties in Germany, where was such
open division over the disenfranchisement and harassment of German Jews? 
Where in the US and Great Britain was discrimination as blatantly encoded
in the legal and economic and social structure as it was in Hitler's
Germany?  I'll grant that anti-Jew policies existed internationally, but
their codification and implementation in Germany was extreme.

>      note that people were also afraid to get arrested or even executed
for     
>      common little crimes like stealing from public goods for personal
use or   
>      telling hitler jokes. 

Another way of putting this is that many ostensibly non-persecuted Germans
were afraid of being treated the way they were treating their neighbor
Jews, Communists, and homosexuals--either actively or passively.

FWIW, the German sadism in GR struck me mainly as expressions of decadence,
nihilism, infantilism, and conditioning.  But I'm just a bystander in this
discussion....

d.