unlikely utopians (was Are They?)

[Mike Weaver]

Charles wrote:
I get the feeling that Pynchon would just as readily "send up"
utopians of Gramsci's stripe as he would those of a more
reactionary school....

Apart from Marx and Lenin, Gramsci could best be said to be following in 
the footsteps of Machiavelli, his key work being titled The Modern 
Prince.  Hardly utopian.  Bit of a cfass description all things 
considered.  Unless you want to describe anyone who thinks capitalism can 
be overthrown as utopian, which knowing you, Mr A, is possible.

and a "we system" is always a "their system"
to whomever is outside...and someone will ALWAYS be
"outside"...

True, but none of this detracts from my original point, which is that 
saying things like

Reagan is a
flawed and frail human just like the rest of us, he has sold
out, just like the rest of us (We R They)

is crap politics. If I had time I'd elaborate, but luckily for you all I 
haven't, too much to be done in the waking world.

Mike