alt.conspiracy.pynchon.waco

[Coffey, Mitchell R]

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>From: David Morris [mailto:fqmorris at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:59 PM
>To: mitchell.coffey at baesystems.com; pynchon-l at waste.org
>Subject: RE: alt.conspiracy.pynchon.waco
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>>From: "Coffey, Mitchell R"
>>
>>Your facts are wrong: no one was "Bar-B-Qued by the Feds."  
>The jerry cans 
>>of gasoline were poured about Koresh's building by Koresh's 
>command, and 
>>the children and other innocents were prevented from leaving 
>the building 
>>by Koresh's command.
>>
>>Now, the Feds already knew Koresh was a homicidal maniac - he 
>began the 
>>episode by responding to a legal, open and probably expected 
>attempt to 
>>serve a warrant upon him by having two (or was it four?) Feds 
>murdered 
>>unprovoked on the spot.  It follows that the Feds and Reno 
>erred in not 
>>assuming that Koresh and his lieutenants would quite likely 
>respond to a 
>>rescue attempt by murdering all adults and children under his 
>care, then 
>>killing themselves.  It follows that the Feds and Reno are 
>guilty of a 
>>gross, even criminal, error of judgment.
>>
>>However, a error in judgment does not constitute 
>intentionally inflicting 
>>the results - which it is your claim it was in your 
>unfortunate reference 
>>to Solomon.  Thus, beyond your error of fact, your moral 
>logic is also 
>>mistaken.
>
>Your facts are but one version, of which you seem so certain 
>that I wonder 
>how you came by them.  However, arguing/investigating those 
>facts is beyond 
>this forum, I believe.  Different sets of facts will produce different 
>moral-logical judgements, I therefore reject your last 
>conclusion above.
>
>But here's a hypothetical alternative which would have removed all 
>uncertainty:  Had Reno and the Feds not bashed-in the walls of 
>the compound, 
>we wouldn't have to wonder whether it was suicide or an 
>(accidental?) Fed 
>bar-b-que.  Waiting the situation out would have removed all 
>uncertainty.
>
>DM

Oh oh, Solipsism alert!

Did or did not Koresh shoot down those FBI men upon no other provocation
than knocking on his door, in full light of day, fully expected, baring an
arrest warrant?  Were there or were there not children and others within
Koresh's compound that he could have released at any time during the
"siege", thus protecting them from the dangers he so obviously perceived?  

Obviously, I got _my_ facts from my CIA/New World Order contacts who, of
course, must remain obvious.  Other versions of the facts - well, I consider
the sources, the local militia unit, perhaps.  More importantly, I consider
their lack of internal logic, which may be within the keen of this forum.
Recall that the topic of paranoia rise a time or two within Pinchon's works.

As I said, Reno & the FBI erred grossly.  What you are allowing as at least
equally probable to the CIA/NWO set of facts is that Reno & the FBI should
_want_ to barbecue small children.  For this to have any probability,
however, some story would have to be proposed as to _why_ they should _wish_
the mass murder of the innocent - though you might first propound why they
should want to persecute poor Rev. Koresh in the first place.

Reno & the FBI should have waited the situation out, I agree.  Big deal -
from this post facto policy recommendation you've concocted and alternative
factual universe.  Of these there are many: President Roosevelt should have
insisted on a higher USN alert status for 07 December 1941, Archduke
Ferdinand shouldn't have provoked Serbian extremists by visiting Sarajevo
... Oh, I'm not going to bother with further examples.  What you are doing
is a standard method of the paranoid style: asserting on the face of it that
bad results were intended.

Mitchell