gib nazis keine chance! (was: FIY NP)

[Lorentzen / Nicklaus]

Thomas Eckhardt schrieb:

> I've had my share of disagreements with Doug in the past, and generally I am
> against list moderation. But if people get called "nazis" just because they
> argue in favour of a moderated list I am almost ready to change my mind.
> Besides, if Doug is a nazi then nazism is really nothing to worry about, or,
> more harshly, calling Doug a nazi or associating him with nazi ideology to
> me seems to be a belittling of nazi crimes past and present.
> P.S. I have read the follow-up postings of both sides and I think there is
> much to be said against the style of discussion of either participant. But
> this is not the subject of this post. The subject is that I don't think the
> word "nazi" should be applied so gratuitiously and irresponsibly.

  wait a moment! unfortunately the virtue of close reading is not very popular 
  these p-list days ... in my yesterday posting i introduced mr. millison as 
  "list-nazi". with quotation marks. picking up a formulation of his own posting 
  (- you know, couldn't resist, he simply - read it again! - called for it ...). 
   so, there are the quotation marks & there is the first word "list-". and i   
  think nobody could come on the idea i suggested mr. millison is involved in 
  fascist and/or genocidal activities ... but then, you may will say now, what 
  about the title? and this choice was a mistake. but not as simple as 
  suggested. the slogan "gib nazis keine chance!" was, as you and the other     
  german p-listers know, used by left-wing groups since the late 80s. it was 
  inspired by the state's anti-hiv campaign "gib  a i d s  keine chance!" not 
  only by its words but also by its graphical design "gib nazis keine chance!" 
  imitated the health campaign & harvested lots of laughter for its 
  de-humanizing field of associations. i always hated this slogan. it was used 
  in campaigns against the free speech of right wing people (- neo-nazis and 
  also non-nazis). and the most eager of the left censorship activists were, in 
  their "social psychology", always the most "fascist" ones ... persecutor types 
  ... & of all this i was remembering when i puked because mr. millison brought 
  up his ugly censorship project again ... so the title of the mail was meant as 
  a description of the discourse-cop's mind. this connection i made with 
  introducing mr. millison as "list-nazi". with my last sentence i not only 
  pleaded against censorship on this list but also contextuated the 
  "list-nazi"-formulation and the title: "fuck censorship!" but since, 
  obviously, not even otto and you have understood this historical 
  reminescense to the contemporary german left, it must have been a real 
  mistake to use the title "gib nazis keine chance!". and even if: - it   
  supposedly still would have been a mistake. you know, since i'm writing this  
  p-list stuff also for a private collage book of mine, sometimes my   
  ober-ambitious longing for brilliance gets in the way of clearness ... i'll   
  try to dicipline myself a little, as long as these touchy political issues are 
  concerned ... oh, did i say that i'm definitely not interested in a moderated 
  p-list? this wouldn't be a list that derserves it to bear the man's name ... 
  & i'll go on speaking in out loudly: fuck censorship!	

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