Le Baton ivre

O' lycidas2 at earthlink.net
Mon Nov 6 12:04:40 CST 2000



Dave Monroe wrote:
> 
> >From Lawrence Kramer, After the Lovedeath: Sexual Violence and teh
> Making of Culture (Berkeley: U of California P, 1997), "Le Baton ivre,"
> pp. 61-4:
> 
> Probably the most phallic of objects, so common as to be almost
> invisible, is a stick: any of teh myriad forms of stick--ruler, scepter,
> pointer, switch, wand, thyrsus, staff--that simultaneously serves a
> practical function and makes a symbolic statement.  Call the general
> form of this stick the rod: at once the traditional symbol of authority,
> discipline, and punishment, and a simple tool for measuring, pointing,
> upholding, divining, and beating.  (61)


Not sure I agree with this. Well anyway, a matter of "the
most" or "the traditional." The cigar, Freud I think, but
the Pipe, the pipe of Pan, the poet's pipe, the ivory sax,
that btw, Sphere will think, exasperated with the college
boys again, he'd like to shove up some Ivy League ass. No
one is immured. Anyway, Jeremy Osner, commenting on Fergus
wrote:

> 
> Readers of Plato's *Republic* will recall that the philosopher had
> unkind words for the lydian and mixed lydian modes; as I recall he said
> something like, "Even women have no use for them, let alone men!"
> 
> Jeremy

This is in Chapter III, Plato's Republic and again, see 
Chapter 26 M&D and also see Aristotle's De Poetica
1448b-1449b. 

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