When Does Innocence End?

[David Morris]

>From: "Otto Sell" "Cease to exist" - sez Charles Manson,
>"Cease to resist" - what the The Beach Boys made of it.
>"Imagine there's no heaven - above us only sky." (John Lennon)
>
> > Otto:
> > Fucking as "God" does not mean you've had a priest's schlong up your 
>butt.
>
>Dave
>Seems as if we understand the passage up on p. 100 differently. What
>blasphemy (in Christian terms) should it be Weissmann is thinking of the
>missionaries could have committed if not molesting the boys?
>

Otto,
If I remember correctly, the sphincter who's religion rhetorically just got 
lost was Enzian's, no?  Enzian called fucking "God."   Wasn't it he that 
uttered that blasphemy?  He said it in PURITY.  That was what scared 
Bliicero.  I wish all P-listers such orgasms.

> > [It is a valiant reading nontheless.]
>Thanks for calling me brave, but the point goes to Mr Pynchon. There's a 
>structural aspect that the camps, prisons, monasteries, armies all have in 
>common: putting men together without women.<

> > Fucking is potentially a rare moment of transcendence.

>Might be, might be not, if transcendence is not just a word with no "real" 
>meaning in it - just invented by priests and other charlatans to get the 
>people. If there is "transcendence," if all things are connected on a 
>cosmic scale then paranoia is fully justified. But I must say that I 
>believe that the only force that holds this universe together is gravity.

When I said, "Fucking is potentially a rare moment of transcendence," I 
thought it a goal that most P-listers might have glanced by, at least.  I'm 
sure you only misunderstood my meaning.  Personally, I rarely say "FUCK" out 
loud during sex.  But sometimes, afterward, when my body is still shakin,' I 
can't help but laugh, "FFFUUUCCCKKK!!!!!!!"

> >"God" is what one says during a really good fuck!
>
>There are some rhetorical questions arising:
>1. Is it allowed to say "Goddess" too?

I want to be fucked by the goddess.  You can do what you want.

>2: What is a "bad fuck"?

The stupid answer would be "ain’t none."  The truth:  "Bad Fucks" are a 
*Universal experience.  Even you, I'm sure, have had at least one.

>3. If so then why the Christian belief has filled sexuality with guilt and 
>shame?<

"If so,?"  I missed the question !? I think we've skipped a beat here.  
Remember, we are talking about your characterization of his saying "Let's 
‘God’!" as his Roman-learned catechism.

>
>To come back to the topic-line "When Does Innocence End?":
>"It began when Weissmann brought him to Europe: a discovery that love, 
>among these men, once past  the simple feel and orgasming of it, had to do 
>with masculine technologies, with contracts, with winning and loosing . . 
>."  - and so on (GR 324).<

Good Fucks,
David Morris


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