pynchon-l-digest V2 #1794

[Phil Wise]

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From: "Jane Sweet" <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: pynchon-l-digest V2 #1794


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> Doug Millison wrote:
>
>  I reject this interpretation, just as I reject any
> interpretation that revises
> > Pynchon and seeks to makes him into a defender of right wing or
> > libertarian or AynRandy values -- it just won't fly.
>
> Me too, but I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to
> post such nonsense.
>
> This has been an interesting debate.
>
> I don't think that free trade is or has the potential to be
> totalitarian.
>
> Much as I respect serious arguments from the Left, Chomsky
> for example, I don't agree that "globalization" is a fact,
> as it has been defined by the Left and by Academics.
>
> I think Greenspan has a very good handle on it, his comments
> are honest, I believe he is man of integrity, not a lap dog
> or puppet or mouth piece as he has been called by the
> radical extremists on both ends here in the States.
>
> Those who protest against "globalization" appear too often
> to be self-designated
> representatives of developing country interests.
>
> Also, the inflammatory rhetoric is going to get young people
> out fighting for human rights and against totalitarianism
> when in fact they will be spilling their blood for the false
> prophets and left over discontents and nihilists that spew
> lies and propaganda on the internet and twist the horrors
> of  history into the relative peace and prosperity of these
> favorable times. The endeavor of these false prophets to
> connect the current protests to the 1960s civil rights
> movement is a farce.
>

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> Protests, however well intentioned, are wrong-headed.
>
> In  particular, it is essential to note that probably the
> best single action that the
> industrial countries could actually take to alleviate the
> terrible problem of poverty
> in many developing countries would be to open, unilaterally,
> markets to imports
> from these countries.
>
>
> Such countries need more "globalization," not less.
>
> I will never trust the people that keep talking about Nazis
> and Totalitarianism as if they are George Orwell and we are
> not living in the free world.
>
>
You are allowed, but isn't it ignoring Vineland?  It was set in 1984, after
all, and Pynchon himself brings them Nazis right in.  My arguments were put
up in good faith.  I expected them to be argued back as such, especially
since IMO they are all relevant to the concerns in Pynchon's novels.  The
folks in Weimar Germany were relatively free too.  The structural
"synergies" I noted have not been refuted or even addressed.  At least Noah
in a recent post has quite rightly pointed out the influence of technology
on totalitarianism, in order to dispute something I said.  We are currently
valorising the universalising of that technology.

Those who want us to rush forward into this new world aren't giving others
the choice, and then they talk about freedom.  According to the article jbor
recently posted, we have to sieze the opportunity, which conveniently leaves
no time for the full and frank and free political debate any democracy
worthy of the name would be having.


> Hoover is dead and L. Ron Hoover is out of the closet.

But who are alive and in it that we don't know about?

Phil

>
> Me, I'm happy, hope your happy toooooooooooooooo
>
> Now it's time to leave the capsule

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