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[wood jim]

> 
> Do keep in ind that I'm not submitting a defense of
> Hollander's reading here, this is, I think,
> obviously,
>  a far more general, far more fundamental point for
> me
> ...

I understand and agree, I think, with your more
general
critial point. We have both argued for pluralism here
from the get go. 


> Why so?  And why must Pynchon's politics be
> "worthy"? 
> And, er, what do you mena by "worthy" here ...

I'm going to punk out on this one. Sorry, really...I
take it back. I'm not going to argue this now. 

> 
> And just what is that?  And why is any of this
> mutually exclusive?  Not to mention the idea that,
> were there even to be an identifiable majority, or
> even plurality, opinion here, that sheer numbers
> would
> ultimately count for anything ...


OK, point taken. Again, I'm not going down that 
path. 
>  
> > Right, but the trace, the response to a pun or a
> > joke or play on words, trivial or political, needs
> > to be, once we are talking about the text and what
>
> 
> How to determine "reasonability" here ...

If it's reasonable? Sorry, but I can't think of why 
you are picking on this word, but that you don't like
the fact that what I wrote makes perfect, if only
common sense. It's not reasonable to argue that
Moby-Dick is about a girl named Alice and her 
cat. Is it? Why not? Well, because it isn't
reasonable. 
How do you like that Humpty-Dumpty? ;-) 


> 
> > There is no doubt that going out of the text,
> 
> ecisely the opposite, but ...
> but I'm curious as to what you might be proposing
> "beyond" intertextual reading ("intertextual
> reading"
> being nigh unto a redundancy to me, but ...) ...
> 
> > if and when a reader credits the outside
> > the text reading or inter-textual to the author.
> 
> Er ...
> 


Well, let me go back to the text now. 

Buddhist monk immolates self in protest against Diem
regime, 11 June, 1963. I'll return to this. 

VDC: 

The Vietnam Day Committee, Berkeley, was
created out of Vietnam Day, the 35-hour anti-
Vietnam war teach-in which brought 35,000 people
to the University of California campus on May 21
and 22, 1965.

Immediately after Vietnam Day, members of the
VDC met and determined the following as priorities
for the peace movement:

  1.National and international solidarity and
    coordination on action. 
  2.Militant action, including civil disobedience. 
  3.Extensive work in the community to develop
    off-campus grassroots opposition and to
    benefit from the militancy of direct action.

Late in May the VDC set October 15 and 16 as
dates for International Days of Protest Against
American Military Intervention and sent a call for
support throughout the world.


So Oed is at Berkeley is summer 1965. 

But let's go back to 1957, what Oediapa says, is
"another world."  

Consider The 1957 Preface, editor, Bortz, the CT. 

Oed needs to talk to Bortz. 

But Bortz leaves Berkeley, no kidding, goes to San
Narcisco,  no kidding. Where else would he go? He
didn't go mad, didn't kill himself. But I suspect that
the Professor's move form the ever expanding and
changing Cal to the Narcisco college may have been
motivated by political changes.  Why did he leave
Berkelely? What's going on there? 

1957 was a different world. 

Where was TRP? 

Not that I will argue that he is Oed, but, as he says
in  SL. 

"Somewhere I had come up with the notion that one's
personal
life had nothing to do with fiction, when the truth,
as everyone knows, is nearly the
direct opposite." 

I believe this is an honest statement. 



He returned, after his two years in the Navy, to
Cornell in the fall of 1957 transferring to the
College of Arts and Sciences. 

insert 1957 timeline cold war and rockets (yoyo
boeing) 

I won't bother to post this just yet, but 1957 was a
big year for rockets and the cold war. 

But back to Bortz: 

By the late fifties a new student left, some of it led
by children of liberal
    and radical professionals, had begun to emerge on
campuses. At
    Berkeley a student party named SLATE, dedicated to
ending nuclear
    testing, capital punishment, Cold War rivalries,
and other off-campus ills,
    began in 1957 to run candidates for student
affairs elections. SLATE
    then incorporated civil rights into its agenda.
Soon after, at the University
    of Wisconsin, students in history and the social
sciences with a similar
    social and political profile launched an ambitious
journal, Studies on the
    Left, committed to the "radicalism of disclosure."

http://dept.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/berkeley.html


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