CIA

[Dave Monroe]

Okay ...

--- wood jim <jim33wood at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I understand and agree, I think, with your more
> general critial point. We have both argued for
> pluralism here from the get go.

That as well.  But, and perhaps ironically, I think I
can safely mention that I had an acute headache of a
couple weeks discussion (and yr ALL pikers in
comparison when it comes to pestering me on or
offlist, sorry to disappoint anyone, but ...) of this
very point with Mr. Hollander hisself some time back,
perhaps even more ironically in my insistance on
paying closer attention to Remedios "One-R" Varo as
well ...

> I'm going to punk out on this one. Sorry, really...I
> take it back. I'm not going to argue this now. 

Not so much a matter of arguing, I'm just suspicious
of terms like "worthy" and "art" and so forth.  And it
doesn't seem quite productive to me to haggle over
quality here, 'cos we won't be able to do anything
about making the books any "better."  We've the texts
we have, trick now is to figure out what they're
doing, however they're doing it.  Not that one can't,
shouldn't point out the problematics therein, but ...
but I see no need to insist on any absolute
consistency on Pynchon' part, indeed, it might well
prove that the incosistencies are not only
interesting, but important, perhaps even the most
interesting and important aspects of those texts ...

> OK, point taken. Again, I'm not going down that 
> path. 

I figured that one was reasonable in anyone's book ...

> > > Right, but the trace, the response to a pun or a
> If it's reasonable? Sorry, but I can't think of why 
> you are picking on this word, but that you don't
> like the fact that what I wrote makes perfect, if
> only common sense.

Of course, I see my own point about the CIA in TCOL49
as perfectly commonsensical as well, so ... so I sense
that our common senses are not so common after all ...

> Well, let me go back to the text now.

And here's where you get really interesting.  And I
agree, I think I'm agreeing here, Lot 49 and Vineland
as a pair, from politics hidden in plain sight to
politics not even hidden, in ever plainer sight ...

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