Recent Chapter

[Dave Monroe]

As I recall, discussion typically, though not
exclusively (thinking here not only of Mikhail
Bakhtin's and Lev Vygoysky's writings on "inner
speech," on that inner audience to which we are always
already addressing ourselves, not only of Jacques
Lacan et al. on that "divided subject," but also of a
whole lotta people walking our streets and riding our
public transportation ...), involves more than one
speaker, poster, interlocutor, whatever ...

While I was a bit surprised not to have generated more
response than I did (esp. considering the response
I've managed to generate at time from even the most
uncontroversial of posts), I certainly did nothing to
discourage responses.  Certainly, you managed a couple
yourself (a volume I was also surprised by, albeit for
its minimalism, in this case ...).  Indeed, I posted
just about anything that came to mind in order to
leave as many "sticky ends" (if I may wax genetic for
a moment) as posible for possible recombination ...

If I've neglected any responses, it has hardly been
from lack of interest or will, but, rather, of time
and expertise.  I think Judy has opened up the notion
of a Pynchonian "fugue" there, actually, something
well worth following up on given the pervasiveness of
the musical in Pynchon.  This will certainly come to
the fore when we discuss "V. in love."  Here see esp.
David Cowart's discussion thereof in his Thomas
Pynchon: The Art of Allusion, but Robert Holton's
passing comments on the topic (see my "Rathouse"
posts) are productively suggestive as well.  And I'll
mention to kevin that i spent some time this morning
looking for that Norton ed. of Jonson's plays, will
look again today, check the public library, and,
failing any results there, will order.  Thanks again
...

And thanks, Dude, jody 9and it's either feast or
famine, I suppose, but just how many Pynchon Digest
Condensed Versions of anything can I be expected to
key in, what with these thalkidomide flippers and
all?), Doug, kai, Terrance (the last two being in
particular I think obvious influences on my hosting,
my posting styles), et al. for kind words and
thoughtful responses.  Anything otherwise was, as
someone suggested offlist, "predictable."  And I
believe everybody here knows who Th' Dude was speaking
of, I don't think it necessary to point out that it
was not Doug.  I do have some follow-up notes, perhaps
a short summation, and some more from Timothy Melley
to post, but ... but I gotta run for now.  But to
quote the great James Coburn, "It's been a groove,
it's been a gas" ...


--- jbor <jbor at bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, you're not "only" Max, you're someone else
> as well, as we all 
> know. But while I agree that thanks are due to Dave
> Monroe for his hosting
> I'm inclined to think that the point of a discussion
> list or group reading
> is, well, *discussion*, of which there was precious
> little it seemed to me.
> Rather than encouraging the threads of interaction
> and commentary which
> threatened to emerge the host seemed rather to want
> to quash or divert these
> so that he could continue with his own
> saturation-level assault. I'd add
> that this is an observation rather than a complaint,
> and it is a matter of
> personal style (i.e. monologic, as admitted) and
> taste I'm sure.
> 
> I think both Judy's post about the psychological
> interpretation of "fugue"
> and Kevin's about the possible extra 'Wasteland'
> connections were given
> short shrift, and would much rather have seen
> further elaboration of these
> issues which were being brought up by actual
> list-participants in real-time
> rather than all the regurgitated secondary source
> material.
> 
> The description of "dominance and submission
> scholarship usually in evidence
> on this list" is a rather nasty and condescending
> slur against some good
> people who do take time to participate thoughtfully
> and reasonably in the
> *discussion* hereabouts. While I agree that Doug
> Millison's steady stream of
> spam, propaganda, misrepresentation and attempted
> character assassination
> could fit this bill, I think you're way off-base and
> totally out of line in
> your characterisation of anybody other than him in
> this light.
> 
> best
> 
> 
> ----------
> From: DudiousMax at aol.com
> To: Pynchon-l at waste.org
> Subject: Recent Chapter
> Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001, 1:13 AM
> 
> 
> Yo Dudes and Dudeens,
>               I'd like to point out that Dave
> Monroe's hosting was a model
> of
> diligence and bibliographic assistance without a
> trace of dominance and
> submission scholarship usually in evidence on this
> list.  It seems a model
> to
> be emulated.  I say, Good Job, Dave.  But what do I
> know?  I'm only...
>                  Max 


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