pynchon-l-digest V2 #2234

[barbara100 at jps.net]

Terrance wrote:

> This was a very strange thing to say on September 11th. But it was
> nothing compared with what she would say in the days following 9/11.
> Barbara, "a new list member," attacked long standing list members,
> calling them fascists, nazis, misogynists, dicks, bush supporters, jerry
> falwells, so on.  She praised Doug for his writing skills and his moral
> high ground.


I called someone a fascist?  Funny, I don't recall that.  I hardly know what
it means, except in the context of some pre-WWII forms of government. And
Nazi?  No way.  Bush supporter?  I doubt it, but I did probably think it.
Jerry Fallwell?  I was gonna write something on the Jerry Fallwell post way
back when, but if I remember correctly, I deleted it.  No, it's still in my
Draft folder.  Oh, shit, you haven't hacked your way into my computer, have
you? Dick, though, yes,  I did call you a dick.  And a misogynist too.  And
I stand firmly behind them both.  Sorry, it's just the way I see you.
Really, though, I don't have to be a long-standing member to figure out who
I like and who I don't.  Usually it only takes one post.  Otto was more
challenging, though.  It took up until today to decide I really didn't like
Otto.  Sorry, Otto, but the Olio thing really put me off.  I wouldn't call
you a dick or a misogynist though, I assure you.  I just disagree with you
is all.  But that's okay, right?  You've disagreed with me for a long time,
too, but you're still relatively nice.
Cheers,
Barbara


----- Original Message -----
From: Terrance <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
To: Doug Millison <millison at online-journalist.com>; Doug Millison
<millison at online-journalist.com>; <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: pynchon-l-digest V2 #2234


>
>
> Doug Millison wrote:
> >
> > If Barbara says you're one of the good guys, Pantychrist, and she
appears
> > to have been paying attention, then I'm sorry to lump you in with the
> > slime.   I do remember your "discussion" with Terrance about Vietnam --
> > like trying to wrestle a greased pig.
>
> Do you need to drag me into it?
>
>
>
> We would  have settled the Vietnam/foot soldier debate quite amicably
> but for Doug's disruptive tactics. Doug knows nothing about history or
> economics and should stick to
> making a fool of himself because it's the only thing he really shines
> at.
>
> Doug dragged Derek out of class to smear Robert with anti-Semitism. I
> was here, I read the entire thread. It was the most absurd and
> disgusting  thread of the last 4 years.  Doug continues to re-write the
> posts of former list members to serve his sick and selfish ends. Derek
> is an Associate Professor and Doug is an Online Journalist. Now you tell
> me, who can more afford to be involved in a nasty name calling
> list-serve debate?
>
>
> "Barbara" started posting here on Stem
> Cell research. She actually came into the mix to cast  Morris as Pokler,
> raise the blood pressure of CFA and others with her Jew/Palistinian
> thread and after  tossing around nasty insults disappeared only to
> return on September 11. She has done little if anything to contribute to
> the
> Pynchon List. In fact, it's obvious she is only here to fight and cause
> problems.
>
>
>
> This is Barbara's first post on the September 11th tragedy.
>
> "America must have an enormous karmic debt to pay.  Let's just pay it
> and  learn our lessons."
>
> This was a very strange thing to say on September 11th. But it was
> nothing compared with what she would say in the days following 9/11.
> Barbara, "a new list member," attacked long standing list members,
> calling them fascists, nazis, misogynists, dicks, bush supporters, jerry
> falwells, so on.  She praised Doug for his writing skills and his moral
> high ground.
> She also knew things about list members that a new
> member simply couldn't know. Moreover, it's clear that Barbara also knew
> things about list members that she learned offlist or in some other way.
>
> Cyrus tried to get her to tone it down:
>
> "I don't think these words describe anyone on this list. As far as I
> know, everyone here was shocked and disgusted by what happened."
>
> Doug is a very slick and nasty prick.  And he has nothing to lose.
>
> I don't know all the details, but I still suspect that
> Doug tried to "Blacklist" Robert. Doug and his friends hold a major
> grudge
> against me and are determined to get me.
>
> Oh sure, Doug will brand me the paranoid like he did Robert when Robert
> accused him of hacking into his computer. Don't be fooled by this guy.
> He's crazy. He covers up his tracks with hyperbole, exaggeration, rants
> and rhetoric, multiple personas, and a hundred other dirty tricks.
>
> I'm not quitting because of Doug. Doug and Robert have been going at it
> since I joined.
> At times one or the other or both got to me, but this is different, the
> list is a downer, it's not fun and it's not worth it. It was always
> better than TV, but not any more.
>
> These are the worst of times, but thanks for the best of times,
>
> T