Oh, no! War talk on Pynchon-L?

[Paul Mackin]

For Doug the doctrine that fighting a war is inherently wrong under all
circumstances is a perfect doctrine.  There is no other doctrine coneivable
to him that is more perfect. Somewhere deep down the doctrine explains
everything. It is the moral equivalent of the long hoped for unified theory
of the material world. It will come at last to satisfy all longings for
truth. It is worshiped as something divine. An imagined essence of the
perfect being. And by an ontological-proof type demonstration divinity and
actuality are assured. An object worshiped devoutly enough does become a
reality and a power in the world. A  power on the p-list  It has made its
mark.. There's no denying it.

Sic biscuitus disintegrat.

        P.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Terrance" <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Oh, no! War talk on Pynchon-L?


>
>
> Doug Millison wrote:
> >
> > I think we've found at least one genuine P-list warmonger (the first to
> > post a congratulatory message to the P-list when the US started bombing
and
> > missile attacks), Terrance, not to mention quite a few others who
> > consistently speak up to support the war, minimize evidence of war
crimes,
> > and otherwise cheerlead for the Bush Administration.
>
> You are a liar. I never posted a congratulatory message to the P-list
> when the US started bombing and missile attacks. I was opposed ot USA
> military action in Afghanistan on September 11th and my position has not
> changed. This despite the fact that I lost family  and friends on
> September 11th. Interesting isn't it, Doug bashes Robert J., a pacifist,
> Thomas E., a pacifist, me, a pacifist, all because we don't agree with
> him and we are discouraged and offended by  his militant rhetoric. Doug
> will say we are not pacifists, because both Thomas and Robert supported
> a limited military response, but he's wrong.  Me, I advocated a regional
> solution to the mess and argued consistently that the USA should not
> lead, fund, orchestrate, of otherwise organize a military action in the
> region. I have consistently condemned USA military action in Iraq,
> Yugoslavia, Africa, Afghanistan, Central America in this forum.  I
> posted my position here and included the statements from  Bertrand
> Russell about how an absolute pacifism may not be the best approach to
> all conflicts.
>
> You dragged me into this when I was ignoring your posts.
>
>
> You have been drooling at every possible bloody news story. Paul's
> right, it's a turn on to you.  You have been screaming body bags and
> body counts and
> dead babies and atrocities and the USA deserves this since September 11.
> You're no pacifist, You're nuts. And we are foolish to keep playing this
> game with you.
> Why would a nice bunch of Pynchon reading people who are so obviously
> liberal and left  want to be called fascist pigs, bush supports,
> warmongers, neo-nazi holocaust deniers...by a man who is so in love with
> war and death? A man so cynical he thinks he needs to fight with us
> about bashing Chomsky. I see Doug dragging Robert into it now. First
> Morris,  dismiss him as a stupid drunk, take a few shots at Paul, call
> him an old man who sends young men like you( grow up and out of Vietnam
> would you) to war, then calls me a Bush supporting fascist again, then
> goes after Robert again and again.
>
> Go read a good book or something.
>