Get them up against the wall!

[barbara100 at jps.net]

----- Original Message -----
From: Terrance <lycidas2 at earthlink.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: Get them up against the wall!

>If you will sit down and write a post about VL and how it is
>relative to current political fascist policies at home and abroad, I
>will be the first to reply.



Yeah, sure!  That's what you said to me about GR.  So I indulged you, hoping
I might get a little response, even gave you a couple of choices as to what
you'd like me to write about.  I did it for you, Terrance, upon your
request, and you didn't even bother to reply. Not one word.
I suppose it just wasn't good enough, though, eh?  Like David Morris said to
me last month, "I expect more from the women I engage in serious discourse
with." Yeah, I imagine it was just such crap that you didn't want to dignify
it with a response.  Yeah, yeah.  I'm so tired of you....






> So ya, thought ya
>  Might like to read a P novel
>  To feel that warm thrill of confusion,
>  That preterit grovel
>  I've got some bad news for this whole damned sick crew,
>  P isn't here, his books have been banned
>  And They sent this electronic paper boy along as a surrogate Man
>  He's  gonna find out where you folks really stand.
>
> "Are there any conservatives in the theatre tonight?
>  Get them up against the wall!
>  There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me,
>  Get him up against the wall!
>  That one's reading newspapers
> And he's been watching CNN
> Get them up against the wall!
>  Who let all of these Bush supporters into the theater tonight?
> Get them up against the wall!
>  There's one smoking an expensive cigar
> Sipping triple malt scotch at the end of the bar
>  An ACLU lawyer with a Rolex watch
> He goes to airports,  loves it when the National  Guard searches his
> crotch
> Get him up against the wall.
>  And another defender of the fascist regime
> He believes, I can tell, in the American dream
> Get him up against the wall!
>
>
> Doug, what you are doing is despicable.
>
>
> You have deliberately reversed the history of our correspondence by
> e-mail.  I can provide the e-mails if need be.  I once defended you just
> as Dave Monroe is now defending you. I even wrote to all the people
> (offlist, as you well know, I rarely initiate or reply to offlist
> correspondence)
> who were fighting you on this list and asked them to stop. When you
> persisted with the holocaust denial accusations I wrote to several list
> members
> (including Dave Monroe) and told them that I was no longer going to
> defend you because you had become indefensible. Thank god, the holocaust
> denial crap stopped. But it didn't stop because you came to your senses.
> It didn't stop because everyone pleaded with you to stop. It stopped
> because Robert  ignored
> you. But why should we now ignore your accusations (which are as
> repulsive and false as your holocaust denial accusations) that people
> who disagree with you are fascists?
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> If Terrance and rj/jbor/rjackson/? and their
> > anonymous mouthpieces can use the P-list as a forum to promote the Bush
> > Administration, globalization, and the rest of their political agenda, I
> > figure it's OK to steer the discussion back towards the political
positions
> > that Pynchon clearly stakes out in his work -- too bad for them that
> > Pynchon's on the progressive, anti-fascist side of the fence.
>
> It is well known, at least to the folks who have been here for the last
> three years or so, that I stand firmly on the Left. Moreover, you know
> that
> Robert is not  a fascist, but  progressive. His recent comments about
> third world debt concur with
> the opinions of the man who was just awarded the Nobel for peace.
>
> And P tees off on
> > Reagan-Bush foreign & domestic policy in Vineland, a political worldview
> > that is the object of discussion in the Pynchon community, whether
Terrance
> > wants to discuss it or not.
>
> Again the reversal is despicable.
>
> Your contribution, as our electronic paper boy, has done little to
> advance the discussion of Pynchon's novels.
> I have provided comments, notes, analysis, participated in dialogue
> on these subjects. I discussed and provided  bibliographies and
> excerpts  for every Pynchon novel discussed here. I have done research
> and  provided notes, excerpts, analysis from a library of books known to
> be on Pynchon's shelves.
>
> You're simply wrong. We are not fascists because we disagree with you.
> For example, your absurd reading of GR and the "war economy" you claim
> Bush is manufacturing is way off.  Bush is telling people to shop and
> travel because he cannot stimulate the economy with war. This is not
> 1940. If you will sit down and write a post about VL and how it is
> relative to current political fascist policies at home and abroad, I
> will be the first to reply. You know what I have written about this. You
> know where I stand. Stop putting everyone up against the wall.