pynchon-l-digest V2 #2194

barbara100 at jps.net barbara100 at jps.net
Sun Oct 28 20:28:19 CST 2001


You're getting awfully worked up, Dude.  I don't see why we should have such
a maddening effect on you.  I think most of  the time we're just letting off
our own internal steams, you know?  It has a lot less to do with you than
you think.  I hear your points, though, Quail;  they're a whole lot of
people's points. They're middle America's points. They're everywhere.
People like me and Doug's just never gonna buy into them, that's all.  And
it's not Doug's influence on me, it's GR's influence.  After reading that,
there's no going back for me.
Don't take it personal.
Barbara


----- Original Message -----
From: The Great Quail <quail at libyrinth.com>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: pynchon-l-digest V2 #2194


> Barbara writes,
>
> >it's no
> >wonder he'd [Quail] be losing confidence in the whole 'insane' endeavor.
>
> I do not think the whole endeavor is insane. But I do think the
> bombing has become excessive, and should be halted for, at the very
> least, a review.
>
> >Even here on the
> >list.  I think it's an encouraging sign. Quail's starting to turn; shit,
> >even Jbor thinks there should be a halt on the bombing.
>
> Well, believe it or not, we are not the bloodthirsty demons we get
> painted out to be. And by the way, this is *not* like Vietnam, in
> that I still think this is a *just* war. I am beginning to think we
> should carry it out differently, that's all.
>
> >Well, hell, there is still a bright side.  At least we'll rid the world
of
> >the barbarous Taliban who skin their victims and bathe in their blood
(all
> >six of them) before prayers.
>
> Barbara, you know, you can still be against the war and yet believe
> that the Taliban are reprehensible.
>
> >Quail, I'm a little disappointed you don't read Doug's news.
>
> I said, I do not read all his news. I can't imagine that anyone but
> you actually reads every forward he sends! I for one don't even have
> the time.
>
> >Are you
> >sheltering your mind because you think it will be too painful to
> >acknowledge?  Or is it just pure spite for Doug that you don't read his
> >news?  Or is it some other reason I'm not imaginative enough to come up
> >with?
>
> Uh.... First of all, there's a hell of a lot of reading material sent
> along by Mr. Millison. And second of all, I choose not to read some
> of it because I recognize the sources as being propaganda. (Would you
> read everything that Henry Kissinger sent to the List?) Third of all,
> a few tangential topics don't interest me. And lastly, I didn't sign
> on this List to read Doug's self-appointed newsletters cover to
> cover. I will gladly argue things Doug says in his own posts, but
> when he hides behind a wall of links, I feel no such obligation.
>
> >Regardless, if you haven't read any of his stuff--which really isn't
> >his at all--I'm not sure how wise it is to take issue with him for
posting
> >it. How can one criticize what they don't read?
>
> Damn, Barbara, do you roll up Doug's print-outs and smoke them? You
> are starting to do the same sort of half-listening and distortion he
> does! What influence does this man have on you? (1) I never said I
> don't read everything, (2) you are right, it's not HIS, and he has no
> legitimacy to claim them as HIS comments, (3) He can post whatever he
> wants, my issue is with him expecting us to read it all if we want to
> know his "true" opinions. and (4) I never made any claims to be able
> to criticize something I have not read.
>
> Come on, Barbara, keep thinking critically. About Doug, too.
>
> --Quail
>




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