NP my anti-Catholicism

Thu Aug 8 06:36:57 CDT 2002

talking about latin mass devotees, i don't know if anybody's heard of
the lefebvrist schism in french catholic churches. they're hardcore
catholic fundamentalists, present in all extreme right wing french
movements, bishop lefebvre was excommunicated by the pope (that's how bad
they are. i don't think it was john paul II, though. he doesn't really
care). in 1977 they took over a church in the center of
paris (they just invaded it!)and have been occupying it ever since.
knowing that a few years ago the police attacked a church occupied by
hunger strikers just makes me wonder... paris is a wonderful city. by
the way, around here, since the elections, the new motto is
"zero tolerance". rings a bell? i've never seen so many cops around.
not that they're doing anything. they just walk around and look you up
and down. sometimes they raid the projects, beat up a few kids, come up with a few
kilos of hash and call it a crackdown.

the next five years are going to be just great.

greg

PM> Opus Dei received a fair amount of publicity around these parts (Washington
PM> DC)   in the past year of so because FBI agent and Russian spy Robert Philip
PM> Hanssen was reported in the press and several books to be a member.  In a very
PM> minor way Opus Dei was being supported by Russian money since Hanssen sent his
PM> children to expensive private schools run by the organization.  In some
PM> accounts erstwhile FBI director Louis Freeh and Supreme Court Justice Anotoin
PM> Scalia were also members. In fact, the news was widely spread about that all
PM> three of the above name gentlemen sent their kids to the two Opus Dei schools
PM> (The Heights School and Oakcrest) and worshipped together at a traditional
PM> Latin mass parish in the area. Opus Dei people tends to be devotees of Latin
PM> masses I believe.

PM> P.

PM> Monica Belevan wrote:

>> Prufrock,
>>
>> Opus Dei is indeed, a fifth political power in Latin America. And I
>> underscore on power. There´s the state aparatus, in the form of executive,
>> legislative and judiciary, and there´s the check and balance aparatus, in
>> the form of the media and the Church. The most extreme and the strongest of
>> the conservative factions of the Catholic Church in this continent and in my
>> birthplace, Peru, is certainly the Opus.
>>
>> I am unsure about the historical accuracy of your commentary, as I believe
>> (I´m not sure, I´d have to look into this) that the Opus was founded prior
>> to its involvment in the Spanish Civil War, where they became one of the
>> mainstays of franquista success, not only in terms of its ascension to
>> power, and very significantly in the maintenance of Iberic political
>> stability between the late 30´s and 1975, but also in the establishment of
>> the constitutional monarchy at Franco´s death. Ironically, much of modern
>> Spain´s renaissance is to be attributed to the Opus. At present, they´re
>> firmly anchored in Universidad de Navarra.
>>
>> The university I´m currently studying in in Montevideo, is under Opus
>> direction, and while I can vouch for their efficiency as administrators,
>> they do keep a particular line of discourse that I find myself in very
>> strong disagreement with. Their termed erudition is aimed--in my humble,
>> very humble, supremely humble opinion--at the subversion of the most
>> rudimentary common sense in civilization, and its not like there´s a suplus
>> of undermining left to do.
>>
>> It appears that history has, so far, proven me wrong in my suspicions; but I
>> insist in believing it´s still too early to pass definitive judgement on the
>> Opus, either way.
>>
>> Regarding the Vatican Maffia, as you term it, there was a scandal in the
>> late 70´s and early 80´s, involving murder, masons and Londonbridges, in
>> relation to the bookeepers and bankers of the Vatican: Propagande Due
>> (search under P2). None of the particulars of the case are conclusive or in
>> any way clear, but they do pinpoint to what is feasibly one of the greatest
>> conspiracies in European history.
>>
>> On yet another aspect of your posting: liberation theology, at the extreme
>> liberal wing of Catholicism, in it´s moment itself became a weapon of choice
>> in the hands of terrorist movements Shining Path and MRTA--it has proven to
>> be unmanageable in the local historical and geopolitical contexts, which
>> lend a special talent to distortion of facts and destruction of evidence.
>>
>> In this world of diamters, I am very conveniently, a non-Christian, and an
>> agnostic.
>>
>> --Monica
>>
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