A rumor (and a rant after last call)

No Fun jbridel1 at rogers.com
Sat Oct 5 01:23:31 CDT 2002


Like sands through the hourglass.......


Lurkers, the several dozens of us who watch this shit, LOVE this stuff, and
keep it in perspective.  Compelling daily storylines, characters and
everything!  Its got depth and (sometimes) intelligence and relevance. Weird
twists too!  We're not sure what we've got ourselves into.  Its just that we
don't often know how to interject....  like eavesdropping on a conversation
of self importants.  It doesn't matter who started what to us, just that
were afraid of getting beat down once we're in.  No matter what side we may
inadvertantly (or deliberately) fall in.

But really, (for my own peace of mind) does Monica Belevan really exist?
This stuff is too weird.  She (he, it) had replied to a previous message to
me about a "Summer Reading List".  I tried being flippant and funny, but
that didn't do anything... really..... sometimes I indulge myself and think
this whole list is contrived by P hisself! Or the CIA....


ack!


----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Millison <pynchonoid at yahoo.com>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: A rumor


> -- Paul Mackin <paul.mackin at verizon.net> wrote:
> > but you and you alone (so sue)
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> I haven't ever made any suggestion that PN abandoned
> its editorial independence, nor have I ever made any
> suggestion to PN about jbor's article, as Prof. Krafft
> confirms.  Instead it's cathyramirez69, then jbor, and
> now Mackin who suggest the opposite.  Pretty shabby,
> imo -- PN is a fine publication with an unspotted
> reputation for academic excellence and independence.
> The slander against me is shabby, too, but less
> consequential than calling into question the integrity
> of a fine publication and institution, Pynchon Notes.
>
> I'm not surprised to see Mackin trying to fan some
> flames (although I'm at a loss to understand what
> stake Mackin has in maligning PN in this fashion),
> that's pretty much all Mackin's done here since I
> first subscribed going on 6 years ago, (it's hell
> getting old with no other hobby but trolling on the
> internet, I guess)....
>
> ....but it is strange how "cathyramirez69"  came in
> attacking me out of the blue and dredging up all that
> old stuff, then funny how jbor would put his foot in
> his mouth in his effort to slander me by picking up
> the thread of an old story in which jbor made such a
> public ass of himself!  Go figure -- some weird shit
> going on behind those pseudonyms, I suspect.  (Prof.
> Krafft is a generous editor, is all I can say; at the
> various times in my career when I have had editorial
> responsibility for magazines, writers who impugned the
> editorial integrity of the publication didn't occupy
> priority positions on my list of must-publish
> writers.)
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> There was of course no need for me to tell John Krafft
> or anybody else on Pynchon-L about jbor's attack on
> Charles Hollander, all they had to do was read jbor's
> insults on the P-list, and many of us had to put up
> with them offlist, too, including the wild charges
> about Hollander and me hacking into jbor's computer
> down there in Australia (that's actually very funny
> for anybody who knows how limited my computer skills
> are). jbor managed to raise a stink  (aided by a
> couple of people who continue to post regularly here,
> too) without any help from me, that's for sure.  I may
> have erred in publicly reprimanding jbor for his
> appalling attack on Hollander -- although I'm not
> sorry I did, even on the free 'n easy internet it's OK
> to speak up for simple human decency now and again, I
> believe --, but you'd think after a few years jbor
> would have the sense to drop it.  It was difficult
> enough to try to understand back then why jbor would
> use Pynchon-L to attack a fellow Pynchon scholar, in
> what I can only guess was some weird attempt to make a
> reputation at the expense of an established researcher
> in the field.
>
> I suggest -- unsolicited advice, to be sure -- that
> jbor let his scholarship do the talking, and cut out
> the attacks on others in the Pynchon community, either
> in his jbor persona or one of the various fakename
> posters who routinely attack P-listers who disagree
> with jbor.
>
> But, people will continue to write whatever they want
> to write here, no matter what I or anybody else says,
> so do as you will, please.
>
> -Doug
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