More Deconstruction

[David Morris]

--- JBFRAME at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > To acknowledge that politicians, rich people and corporate leaders
"work to further their own monetary & power interests, often in a
conspiratorial manner" is vastly different that believing in a vast and
widely unified conspiracy theory such as some believe is embodied by the
illuminati.
>
> And I have never expressed belief in the Illuminati Conspiracy.

You were unspecific.  "Conspiracies," that is plans by groups of
individuals to wield power for their own gain/goals at the expense of others,
sometimes clandestinely, exist.  The scale of such groups, and their unity of
purpose is the question I raise.  How effective could their cover be if you're
able to point out specific examples to us over the internet?

> [...] Do I believe that the incredibly powerful & influential people
who meet each year as part of what has been called the Bilderberg Group have
more on their minds than gourmet lunches?  Well, yes, I think there's a lot of
"planning" going on there.  Now whether it's criminal or not, I'll
leave that for the victims to decide.

Who are the victims of the "Bilderberg Group?"  Do you have anything
other than vague suspicions in mind?  Do you mean the "victims" of
Globalization?

This web site < http://www.bilderberg.org/ > contains this wonderful (and
absolutely useless) quote: "Thought for the day: When the first 'terrorist'
nuclear weapon explodes how will we, or the politicians, know it's not a CIA
covert operations unit that planted it......?" 

This is from a more responsible site <
http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/bilderberg.htm > but is still not
unbiased:
"According to a Bilderberg Society press release, the 46th Bilderberg
meeting was an informal discussion "to discuss the Atlantic relationship in
a time of change. Among others the Conference will discuss NATO, Asian Crisis,
EMU, Growing Military Disparity, Japan, Multilateral Organizations, Europe's
social model, Turkey, EU/US Market Place [sic]."

Those who attend Bilderberg meetings do so in a private rather than official
capacity. From former CIA director John Deutch to New Jersey Governor Christine
Todd Whitman, each guest attendee is hand-picked by the Bilderberg's organizing
committee to join in secret deliberations about the propagation of Western
hegemony in the New World Order.

All Bilderberg discussions are conducted in absolute secrecy. To guarantee
solitude, the Group customarily books an entire hotel in a secluded location.
The hotel is protected by a tight security grid of heavily armed guards from
the U.S. Secret Service, various European secret service agencies and the local
police.

Although some reporters and many media owners are present at these meetings,
you will hear nothing about the Bilderberg in the news. According to the
Bilderberg's press release, 'Participants have agreed not to give interviews to
the press during the meeting. In contacts with the news media after the
conference it is an established rule that no attribution should be made to
individual participants of what was discussed during the meeting.'"

Do you really believe that if this group were actively planning and pursuing
"conspiracies" to effectively rule the world that there would be no
defectors from time to time.  And does Christine Todd Whitman really strike you
as an associate of Dr. Evil?  I personally know the John Deutch family from my
stepson's continued friendship with his son (We lived in Lexington,
Massachusetts when they were in high school together), and before heading the
CIA he was a professor at MIT.  He is very intelligent, if not absent-minded
(which explains his bumble with the take-home computer), but also no associate
of Dr. Evil.

> Historians may differ.  Is the Tri-Lateral Commission a conspiracy? 
Depends  on what you call conspiracy.

And this is usually the jumping-off point of the Illuminati conspiracy freaks
(like the first web site above).

>  They believe they are insuring the success of  the best & brightest
of the power elite.  They are keeping the world order in place.  Some of us
would no doubt be in sync with their motives, others  opposed.  So be it.  But
to deny that there is no influence being constantly peddled is simply nonsense.

Is it bad?  How effective is it.  What specifically have they managed to do
that you object to.  Again, you are just full of vague suspicions.  The same
questions apply here as for the Bilderberg Group.

>It's comforting to believe that things happen by accident.

I don't think accidents are comforting, but they do happen to everyone, even
members of the Tri-Lateral Commission.
  
> Was the Tonkin Gulf a conspiracy?  Did LBJ & his advisors sit down in
a room & decide how they were going to use the incident?  Yes.  They
actually sat down together & decided to lie & fuck up the future of
literally millions of human beings, just as the Hapsburgs sat down at Salzburg
in 1848 while Vienna celebrated a new dawn of freedom & Hungary rejoiced. 
Just as the railroad barons of the 1880's plotted to break the workers'
associations in cigar-smoke filled rooms.  Just as McKinley lied when he said
he talked to God about the Philippines.  He talked to Roosevelt, Lodge &
Mahan.

All of which might better be called "wielding power" and
"opportunism" instead of "conspiracy."

David Morris

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