More Deconstruction

[David Morris]

Sorry, but some screwy code invaded the last post so I'm sending it again:

--- JBFRAME at aol.com wrote:
>>David Morris:  To acknowledge that politicians, rich people and corporate 
>>leaders "work to further their own monetary & power interests, often 
>>in a conspiratorial manner" is vastly different that believing in a vast 
>>and widely unified conspiracy theory such as some believe is embodied by 
>>the illuminati.
>
>And I have never expressed belief in the Illuminati Conspiracy.
>

You were unspecific.  "Conspiracies," that is plans by groups of individuals 
to wield power for their own gain/goals at the expense of others, sometimes 
clandestinely, exist.  The scale of such groups, and their unity of purpose 
is the question I raise.  How effective could their covers be if you're able 
to point out specific examples to us over the internet?
>
>[...] Do I believe that the incredibly powerful & influential people 
>who meet each year as part of what has been called the Bilderberg Group 
>have more on their minds than gourmet lunches?  Well, yes, I think there's 
>a lot of "planning" going on there.  Now whether it's criminal or not, I'll 
>leave that for the victims to decide.
>
Who are the "victims" of the Bilderberg Group?  Do you have anything
other than vague suspicions in mind?  Do you mean the "victims" of
Globalization?

This web site < http://www.bilderberg.org/ > contains this wonderful (and 
absolutely useless) quote: "Thought for the day: When the first 'terrorist' 
nuclear weapon explodes how will we, or the politicians, know it's not a CIA 
covert operations unit that planted it......?"

This is from a more responsible (but is still not
unbiased) site < http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/bilderberg.htm > :
"According to a Bilderberg Society press release, the 46th Bilderberg
meeting was an informal discussion "to discuss the Atlantic relationship in 
a time of change. Among others the Conference will discuss NATO, Asian 
Crisis, EMU, Growing Military Disparity, Japan, Multilateral Organizations, 
Europe's social model, Turkey, EU/US Market Place [sic]."

Those who attend Bilderberg meetings do so in a private rather than official 
capacity. From former CIA director John Deutch to New Jersey Governor 
Christine Todd Whitman, each guest attendee is hand-picked by the 
Bilderberg's organizing committee to join in secret deliberations about the 
propagation of Western hegemony in the New World Order.

All Bilderberg discussions are conducted in absolute secrecy. To guarantee 
solitude, the Group customarily books an entire hotel in a secluded 
location. The hotel is protected by a tight security grid of heavily armed 
guards from the U.S. Secret Service, various European secret service 
agencies and the local police.

Although some reporters and many media owners are present at these meetings, 
you will hear nothing about the Bilderberg in the news. According to the 
Bilderberg's press release, 'Participants have agreed not to give interviews 
to the press during the meeting. In contacts with the news media after the 
conference it is an established rule that no attribution should be made to 
individual participants of what was discussed during the meeting.'"

Do you really believe that if this group were actively planning and pursuing 
"conspiracies" to effectively rule the world that there would be no 
defectors from time to time who would blow their cover?  And does Christine 
Todd Whitman really strike you as an associate of Dr. Evil?  I personally 
know the John Deutch family from my stepson's continued friendship with his 
son (We lived in Lexington, Massachusetts when they were in high school 
together), and before heading the CIA he was a professor at MIT.  He is very 
intelligent, if not absent-minded
(which explains his bumble with the take-home computer), but also no 
associate of Dr. Evil.

>Historians may differ.  Is the Tri-Lateral Commission a conspiracy?
Depends  on what you call conspiracy.

And this is usually the jumping-off point of the Illuminati conspiracy 
freaks (like the first web site above).

>  They believe they are insuring the success of  the best & brightest
of the power elite.  They are keeping the world order in place.  Some of us 
would no doubt be in sync with their motives, others  opposed.  So be it.  
But to deny that there is no influence being constantly peddled is simply 
nonsense.

Is it bad?  How effective is it.  What specifically have they managed to do 
that you object to.  Again, you are just full of vague suspicions.  The same 
questions apply here as for the Bilderberg Group.

>It's comforting to believe that things happen by accident.

I don't think accidents are comforting, but they do happen to everyone, even 
members of the Tri-Lateral Commission.

>Was the Tonkin Gulf a conspiracy?  Did LBJ & his advisors sit down in a 
>room & decide how they were going to use the incident?  Yes.  They 
>actually sat down together & decided to lie & fuck up the future of 
>literally millions of human beings, just as the Hapsburgs sat down at 
>Salzburg in 1848 while Vienna celebrated a new dawn of freedom & Hungary 
>rejoiced. Just as the railroad barons of the 1880's plotted to break the 
>workers' associations in cigar-smoke filled rooms.  Just as McKinley lied 
>when he said he talked to God about the Philippines.  He talked to 
>Roosevelt, Lodge & Mahan.

All of which might better be called "wielding power" and
"opportunism" instead of "conspiracy."

David Morris

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