NP more Bush Nazi connection

[calbert at hslboxmaster.com]

In the interest of full disclosure - I would have voted  for Poppy 
Bush in  1980 had he been nominated...........what I have learned of 
the man  and the family in the interim makes  me  glad that I didn't 
have the opportunity.......

> 1. the article is not new and the  author's assertions
> are not new,  either to the conspiracy theory public
> at large or to this list,   so I see no reason to post
> this article under the subject "more bush nazi
> connection"

I don't get an e-mail tickler telling me about Mr. Loftus' upcoming 
endeavours......The story told is new to me, and may or may not be 
to others..........It was offered this morning in  another context, and 
I thought to pass it on - given a record of interest in the matter on  
the list......... 

 
> the connection, if there is or ever was one has never
> been proven with any credible source material.

I swear, I WAN'T very much to be polite.....but what the FUCK do 
you think those vesting orders are about?  Or do you believe they 
don't  exist.....
 
> 
> the author's title is spin because we expect to read
> about how the bush family made its fortune from the
> nazis. that's not what the article is about. How could
> it be? The Bush family did not make its fortune from
> the nazis. 

You are, for reasons unexplained, clearly more intimate with the 
financial circumstances of the Famiglia than I or Loftus can hope to 
be........We know that Prescott married into some serious East 
Coast money, but I have no idea to what extent  the 750k 
described in the article changed his circumstances - but I'm 
guessing that such a sum represented a considerable portion of 
the man's assets........

> 
> so, "Credentialled" or not there is no case made in
> that article. The article is spin and propaganda. 


You prattle therefore you must  be correct? The article describes, 
in considerable detail, how Thyssen used foreign banks, including 
"divisions" of BBH, to shelter his assets, and to keep them out of 
the reach,  not only of the allies, but  apparently also from the 
Nazis.....You seem to rest your "spin' argument on the thin reed of 
Loftus' choice of title - a matter trivial to the issue.......are you a 
Harriman  heir anxious to defend the honor of your family?

> Up on my ass, best beast known to man for climbing
> loose piles of shifting rock and horse-hocky, kicking:

Strive, get up on your hind legs.... 

> Question one: 
> 
> 
> When did Fritz Thyssen obtain financing from Brown
> Brothers Harriman, and its affiliate, the Union
> Banking? What month and year? How much financing did
> they receive? What was the structure of the financing?

Here is text from the vesting orders (parenthetical  comments by 
the authors of the piece) :

"The order seizing the bank `` vests '' (seizes) `` all of the capital 
stock of Union Banking Corporation, a New York corporation, '' and 
names the holders of its shares as:

      `` E. Roland Harriman--3991 shares ''
      [chairman and director of Union Banking Corp. (UBC); this is `` 
Bunny '' Harriman, described by Prescott Bush as a place holder 
who didn't get much into banking affairs; Prescott managed his 
personal investments]

      `` Cornelis Lievense--4 shares ''
      [president and director of UBC; New York resident banking 
functionary for the Nazis]

      `` Harold D. Pennington--1 share ''
      [treasurer and director of UBC; an office manager employed by 
Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman]

      `` Ray Morris--1 share ''

      [director of UBC; partner of Bush and the Harrimans]

      `` Prescott S. Bush--1 share ''
      [director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his 
father-in-law George Walker; senior managing partner for E. Roland 
Harriman and Averell Harriman]

      `` H.J. Kouwenhoven--1 share ''
      [director of UBC; organized UBC as the emissary of Fritz 
Thyssen in negotiations with George Walker and Averell Harriman; 
managing director of UBC's Netherlands affiliate under Nazi 
occupation; industrial executive in Nazi Germany; director and 
chief foreign financial executive of the German Steel Trust]

      `` Johann G. Groeninger--1 share ''
      [director of UBC and of its Netherlands affiliate; industrial 
executive in Nazi Germany]

      `` all of which shares are held for the benefit of ... members of 
the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals ... of a 
designated enemy country.... ''

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

this suggests  that Prescott and other BBH officers held interests 
"in favor" of the Thyssen family..........

Rather than reproduce the entire chapter dealing with Bushes and 
Nazis, I would prefer you took a look and let me know what 
SPECIFICALLY you find unsubstantiated.......do take the time to 
look at the footnotes.......

I'll be right here....


love,
cfa