NPPF - Preliminary - Pale Fire

[Paul Mackin]

On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 12:40, Jasper Fidget wrote:
> Does Marcel ever get to the point where he writes it?  Can't remember. 

He just gets to that point ("Is there still time?" "Am I well enough?"

But the book we've just read is the book to be written.

It's a circle.

Perhaps it could be called recursive. As if the novel were computed from
itself.



P.




 I
> suppose the definition might be extended to include all Kunstlerroman.
> (Interesting angle: _Pale Fire_ as Kunstlerroman.... -- a bit of a stretch
> certainly.)  
> 
> See 162 for Kinbote's rant on Proust.
> 
> akaJasperFidget
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Mackin
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:08 PM
> > To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > Subject: Re: NPPF - Preliminary - Pale Fire
> > 
> > On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 09:47, Jasper Fidget wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > _Pale Fire_ is an "involuted" (or "self-reflexive") novel -- a novel
> > that
> > > contains the details concerning its own origin or composition.  An
> > > antecedent is Andre Gide's _The Counterfeiters_ (1926) which is a diary
> > kept
> > > by a novelist about a work-in-progress called _The Counterfeiters_
> > (followed
> > > in the same year by Gide's _Journal of The Counterfeiters_, the journal
> > he'd
> > > kept while writing the novel _The Counterfeiters_).  There's at least
> > one
> > > reference to Gide in _Pale Fire_.  Another example of an involuted
> > novel:
> > > Raymond Queneau's _Les Enfants du Limon_ (1938).  Anyone got more?
> > 
> > Strange word involuted. Shade uses involute in Canto Three.
> > 
> > No sound,/No furtive light came from their involute/Abode,
> > 
> > Isn't A la recherche du temps perdu a reflexive novel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > P.
> > 
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