NPPF: CANTO ONE D. Fowler/ for Jasper
cfalbert
calbert at hslboxmaster.com
Mon Jul 28 13:58:56 CDT 2003
> Thanks for the clarification, Charles. Given your timeline (with which I
> have some distant familiarity from my previous career as an English
major),
> I think it might be useful to ask why Shade positions himself before
> Wordsworth. "
How do you mean "before"?
"Shade is a Pope scholar of course, so he is likely to be more
> familiar or comfortable with this form, and perhaps he prefers it, but
it's
> certainly not cutting-edge poetry (I have a friend who may still have
> Charles Bernstein's number and email -- maybe I'll ask him to ask for an
> opinion)."
Shade, along with Nab and Wordsworth are decidedly "retro". But beyond
offering the Zembla excerpt (and this will become much more important in a
few hours), Pope may not play such a large role in the "scheme" of PF.
There is little in Pope's subject matter which conforms to the concerns of
Shade's poems, but a remarkable congruity with Wordsworth's. That said, it
seems to me that the "heroic couplet" form may have peaked with Goldsmith,
as Wordsworth opus seems to include very few examples (RESOLUTION &
INDEPENDENCE is the only one of those offered in Norton which combines
iambic pentameter, and couplets).
" We can surmise Shade's opinion of Eliot. Is he a "retro" poet?"
If I could type faster, I'd give you the entire Fowler take........see if I
can find the strength......
> Does Shade want a return to older forms, is he an anti-modernist?
I'd say you were on relative sure ground here......
" Is he
> therefore likely to be as widely accepted and lauded in 1959 as we are
given
> to believe?"
I'm not sure Shade wrote PF with "acceptance" in mind - this may have been a
project intended to satisfy a more personal need.....
"Also, as you say, why is the form of the poem so clearly at odds with the
subject? Is poetry a closed ("vicious") circle to him? Is "Pale Fire"
thematically an attempt to escape from its own form?"
I don't know about "at odds", I just found it interesting that he would
employ a poetic structure normally associated with "closure and surety" in
the service of a work so clearly intended to offer anything but......
love,
cfa
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