Down these mean streets ...

[Terrance]

Paul Nightingale wrote:
> 
> Terrance wrote:
> >
> >
> > Being a working class american all I can lay claim to is my labor.
> >
> 
> What you lay claim to is your labour-power. A big difference.

"property is property" 

frederick douglass


> 
> > Pynchon will never understand, and Blair-Orwell, never understood,
> the
> > working class.
> >
> 
> There's that real world again, the one that's outside the text. I'm sure
> there are aspects of American working-class life that you don't
> understand. Your knowledge is partial, always. And as I said before, the
> way you make sense of it's a matter of perception. P at least
> acknowledges the difficulty of knowing something; I don't think O ever
> did (so we agree partially there).

of course there are aspects of the american wc none of us understand
even those of us that are those aspects of the awc. how one makes sense
of it is not merely a matter of perception, and reality, and
interpretation. it is also a matter of the method employed. 
inquiry, for example. i'm not sure about P's acknowledgment. what about
the intro to sl? he talks about race and class. he admits that he's not
quite sure. doesn't he? 
poor orwell, seems he was never happy in his own boots. you gotta play
the hand you're dealt. 


 
> And then:
> > >
> > > All texts stand in for that which is absent. All storytellers seek
> to
> > > REvisit the world and REpresent it.
> >
> >
> > This is utter nonsense,
> >
> >
> 
> Ouch! Way to go!
> 
> But - I rather think you're mistaken. What else are storytellers doing?
> You demonstrate my point in what you say above about P, O and the w/c.


can you give me a bit more of your goat? was trying to get it and all I
got was a few hairs of the beard. 



> 
> And then:
> >
> > Freud? What fetish?
> >
> 
> The old guy with a white beard. He was a storyteller too.
> 


oh yeah. forgot about him. eros and thanatos. now that's a guy P
understood.