VLVL the "Movement"

[Malignd]

Rob:  <<I disagree with his assertion that "strife"
and disunity characterised the counterculture and
student movement from the start, however.>>  

Mike Weaver:  <<That's one of your 'straw men'  -
MalignD has never argued what you say he has.>> 

Disunity means, simply, lack of unity.  I used the
word “strife” once, rhetorically, as I’ve previously
noted.  My main point, from the beginning--clear
apparently to all but Rob--was addressed not to the
student movement per se, rather to the broader idea of
a unified "counterculture," the "movement."

The shift in terms and emphasis from one to the
other--making some of his claims a little easier to
defend, others easier to obfuscate--was Rob’s:

To wit:

Rob: <<You've provided no substantiation to support
your claim that there was ongoing friction and a lack
of co-operation between the various groups commonly
categorised as the "student movement" or
"counterculture" (not exactly the same thing but there
was certainly considerable overlap for a number of
years).>>

Me:  <<Where did I say "ongoing friction"?   the
answer is:   nowhere.>>

Rob:  <<Hang on. A couple of days ago you were
asserting that the "strife later on" was "for the most
part, the case". 

So, first, “ongoing friction” was his term, put in my
mouth.  

But he also distorted and misrepresented what I did
write, not:   

<< ...  the "strife later on" was "for the most part,
the case" ...>>

Rather:  <<One isn't dismissing your generalizations
for their generality; what you describe as specific
exceptions to what I assume you believe was the rule
were not exceptions, rather examples of what was, for
the most part, the case.>>

Or maybe he was distorting this:  <<It might be fair,
but it's inaccurate, in that it assumes a unity
in--God--the "movement"--that was never the case. 
You're noting and mourning the death of a figment.>>

To quote Rob (accurately):  <<I don't have a problem
with the preferred style of argumentation of our
scornful friend; surely we're all used to it by now.>>

Indeed.



	
		
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