AW: VLVL the collapse of the Youth Movement

[Paul Mackin]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 06:10, lorentzen-nicklaus wrote:
> 
> Otto schrieb:
> 
> > ... movement. And don't underestimate the importance and influence of 
> > the Blues  (one thing I really miss in Vineland). The music of the 
> > movement, a basic  element, was grounded on and cannot be separated 
> > from the knowledge under which social circumstances this culture had
> > developed. LeRoi Jones' "Blues People" (1963) was a book that had 
> > been read ...
> 
> 
> + Didn't like The Residents when they were hot (big sister of my school
> buddy played the vinyls all day long), do not like them now. What does
> Pynchon love about them?



> 
> Taken the fact that V is searching for the holy Post-BeBop-Grail, 
> I wonder why Pynchon lost interest in Afro-American music. 
> (OK, somewhere in Vineland a 'Best of Sam Cooke' record appears,
> but this isn't much, is it?). Something happened at the time of 
> the Watts essay. Probably because of the political escalations 
> Pynchon could, I guess, from a certain point on see only apokalyptical
> implications. "A journey ..." ends with "The Late-Late-Late-Show". 
> Perhaps Pynchon, like many others, didn't get what Miles was doing
> with Bitches Brew. And the P in P-funk does not stand for our man.
> That his musical instincts are still somehow intact one recognizes - 
> "Made a long journey from Milan to Minsk/Rochelle, Rochelle ..." -
> when Pynchon is dissing the Broadway Show (here we say 'Musical': Cats,
> King of Lions and all that crap) pestilence of our time (cf. VL, p. 167).   
> 

Doubt if P lost interest in Jazz or stopped liking it. However talking
about it became too much of a cliche for white hipsters.