NP "What is Fascism?"

[Ghetta Life]

>From: "Otto" <ottosell at yahoo.de>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ghetta Life" <ghetta_outta at hotmail.com>
> > It seems to me you are arguing that the state needs to liberate certain 
>children from their families in order that they not be subject to what you 
>deem repressive religious or moral standards.  Do you have any evidence 
>that the girls in France wearing scarves wish to be liberated from their 
>culture and families?  Also, how do we as a society decide WHICH 
>religions/cultures are repressive and need to be suppressed?  This is a 
>slippery slope...
> > Ghetta
>
>Sure it is ... and I'm far from being sure that the French ban is 
>politically wise.
>
[...]
>I think the film "Osama" about an Afghan girl disguised as a boy in order 
>to be able to feed the family says enough.

It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the minority Muslim populations in 
Europe.  Presumably child-abuse can be prevented along normal child welfare 
programs without demonizing an entire faith.  Islam is far from a monolithic 
and unified entity.

>[...]  When I think of the Muslim world in Western Europe I have the idea 
>of a group pressure these people are exposed to. I think it goes without 
>saying that this isn't in accordance with our liberal constitutions where 
>men and women are equal. What's a constitution if it ends at the front door 
>of any given private home.

So now you want somehow to eliminate peer or cultural pressure an immigrant 
experiences within his own family and minority group?   A culture's norms 
should be regulated and outlawed because they are oppressing children?   Why 
don't you suggest that Hasidic Jews should be stopped from making their 
children wear those beenies?  Again, it seems you only want to achieve this 
goal AGAINST a minority group, ad-hoc, with no governing restrictions or 
guidelines.  EVERY family/society pressures its children to follow a 
cultural norm.  Anything in this regard which can objectively be deemed 
abusive can be handled without reference to any religion.


Ghetta

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