Anti-German for newbies

[Otto]

Sorry, my friends, but there is a huge difference between a pro-Palestinian
bias in the reporting and what is said by the Anti-Germans. And criticism of
a policy that is wrong is no anti-Semitism.

Of course the Palestinian leadership is instrumentalizing this, but this
doesn't does away the fact that the Palestinian Intifada death toll is twice
the Israeli's, who are building a wall on Palestinian soil and who are
keeping the whole Palestinian under "supervision" since 1967. And, walls
generally don't have a good press in Germany, even if they are called
"defense fence."

"Issues looked significantly different on the ground, than in the german
media." -- This is too general. The propaganda-machine is there, of course,
but on both sides. Neither German nor British journalists rely on it. They
report the simple facts: Israel is violating international law and the
Palestinians are answering by sending their children as suicide bombers.
Both is wrong, occupation and terrorism. But Israel is the part which
doesn't recognize international law, they (like the USA) don't accept the
Hague Court. This makes it hard for the Europeans to sympathize with
Sharon's hardliner policy, as well as there are many Israeli's who are fed
up with this policy (there are even fighter pilots who became draft
resisters recently -- victims of propaganda?) that has only brought more
insecurity and more victims. What must happen is a change of mind in both
peoples. The Palestinians will only get a sovereign state if they give up
terrorism, and Israel will only get peace if it gives up the occupied
territories. To reach this Mr. Sharon must be elected out of office and
Yasser Arafat must leave Palestine, because he has proven unable to free
himself successfully from the charge of promoting terrorism. The "fence"
will be an important part of the next Israeli elections because Mr. Sharon
will argue that any other government will tear down that wall.

I cannot see how the UN, US and EU-attempts ("Road Map") to gain a just
peace in the Near East could lead to the destruction of Israel, which is
what is asserted in the quote. There can be no doubt about that the USA and
Nato guarantee Israel's existence, not to mention that Israel has got the
bomb, thus cannot be attacked successfully without taking the risk of a
nuclear answer.

That Anti-Germans paper is instrumentalizing anti-Semitism and the
Holocaust. It can hardly be called "scientific" but is a political text. I
don't see the slightest element of truth in the quoted sentence.

Otto

----- Original Message -----
From: KXX4493553 at aol.com
To: kumpe3000 at gmx.de ; pynchon-l at waste.org
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Anti-German for newbies


In einer eMail vom 01.03.2004 12:13:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
kumpe3000 at gmx.de:



Otto cited the Anti-Germans and wrote:
>"the current commitment of the Germans in the Near East could lead in =
the long run to Israel losing its sovereignity step by step and to put =
Israel under international supervision, which would probably lead to its =
destruction."

This is so off the track that it's just ridiculous.<

Sorry Otto,  I am tempted to argue about this.
I harbour little sympathy for so Anti-Germans, yet I see some truth in your
quotation. Even the supposedly neutral "Tagesschau" TV-news from the
federal TV-network ARD, has a significant pro-palestinian bias in it's
reporting. I only came to realise this after visiting Israel AND the
Westbank some time ago. Issues looked significantly different on the
ground, than in the german media. It was quite a shock to me.  There is
some long-time palastinian propaganda going on, trying to establish the
image of a palestine people tortutred in the hands of zionist madmen and
abandoned by the rest of the world. It began with all this PLO
merchandising in the seventies, and profits from some unreflected leftist
ideology (p-listers excluded)that established itself as "intellectual" in
the last decades.  Some of the brighter palestinian leaders have learned to
benefit from this victim image and shurely have some phantasies like this
quotation above.
Anyway, I don't believe they will succeed, for they act much too stupid on
the ground, and have learned nothing about coordination and the finer
skills of psychological warefare.
best,
Christian.



I agree with Christian in this point. Although I know some of these
Anti-German guys personally and cannot like them - they are hardly bearable,
they remind me at the polit-sects in the seventies -, in this
point -concerning the one-dimensional tv reporting in the German media -
they are right.
kwp