AW: AW: Not Just About Iraq (Was: London)

[Rcfchess at aol.com]

It's good to hear that you're not justifying terrorism; it was your  
statement " Bush and Blair are as responsible for the attacks as the terrorists"  that 
made me think that perhaps you were (and, incidentally, I can't stand Bush  & 
his cronies either & disagree with much of US foreign policy,  including the 
invasion of Iraq, especially it being justified by the  non-existent Weapons 
of Mass Destruction, which are apparently as unfindable as  bin Laden). 
 
- RF
 
In a message dated 07/09/2005 2:23:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
keithsz at sbcglobal.net writes:

Reading  what I am saying as justifying terrorism completely misses the 
point.  Terrorism is completely unjustifiable. Justifying American 
policy, and  claiming it is not an essential ingredient in the 
perpetuation of this  unjustifiable terrorism, is the height of the very 
irresponsibility and  mindlessness that keeps the Bushies in office. 
Read GR.

On Jul 9,  2005, at 6:17 AM, Rcfchess at aol.com wrote:


I agree with Otto's  interpretation below; to equate a bad solution 
(Bush etc.) with  irresponsible murder of innocents on a mass scale 
(terrorism), as keithsz  is apparently doing, is not only to compound 
the problem (2 wrongs don't  make a right, especially when one is much 
more wrong) but to virtually  justify criminal acts of the worst kind by 
simplistically reacting with  non-thinking rhetoric, as the terrorists 
themselves do, and claiming  justification for the worst possible acts. 
That's totally irresponsible,  as well as relatively mindless.

In a message dated 07/08/2005  11:35:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
keithsz at sbcglobal.net writes:
>  How can American foreign policy, combined with the U.S.
>  military-industrial complex, not be part of the dynamic that results  in
> terrorism?
>
> Bush and Blair are as responsible for  the attacks as the terrorists.
>
> On Jul 8, 2005, at 8:21 PM,  Otto wrote:
>
> It would be inappropriate too to lay the blame for  those attacks on
> Bush or
> Blair. Primarily responsible are  those who planned and did it.
>
> But I don't think that it has  been Rich's intention to lay the blame on
> Bush, in my reading he was  pointing to all those hollow words we hear
> from
> Bush since  9/11.
>
> Otto
>
> -----Ursprüngliche  Nachricht-----
> Von: Ghetta Life  [mailto:ghetta_outta at hotmail.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Juli 2005  15:31
> An: Rcfchess at aol.com; ottosell at yahoo.de;  richard.romeo at gmail.com;
> pynchon-l at waste.org
> Betreff: Re: AW:  Not Just About Iraq (Was: London)
>
>
> I agree that we are  now in a quagmire.  And I agree that the Iraq war
> has
>  made the world less safe by creating an unstable environment with the
>  potential to become a breeding ground for exporting more  terrorism. 
> But to
> *link* the London attack to the US's  incompetance at waging war and the
> US's
>
> inability to  protect its friends sure seems like laying blame to me. 
> And  it
>
> also rings hollow as anexpression of sympathy for the  victim.
>
> Ghetta
>
> > From:  Rcfchess at aol.com
> >
> >> Hope all our friends on  the  list from London are OK after today's
> >> unfortunate  events in the ever  expanding global war on terror--a 
>  war
> > which
> >> the US has no clue how to  win  much less protect its own and friends
> >
> >
> >  I'm not sure that Rich is "lay[ing] today's attack  at [Bush's]  feet"
> > by
> > saying what he said; I think it could be  interpreted to  mean that
> > we've
> > gotten  ourselves into (as Otto says) a quagmire, not that we 
> >  necessarily
> > are to blame for what the other side does. No? What  do you all  
> think?
>
>
>
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