sadness of america/bad postmodernism

Sean Mannion third_eye_unmoved at hotmail.com
Tue Oct 11 20:10:09 CDT 2005


eh, because of me, probably.

I did say 'ludicrous aspects of...', and not the whole thing. I agree with 
some bits and pieces (foucault on institutions, etc) but wholeheartedly 
refer to others as horseshit.

When i say horseshit i'm generally thinking about Lyotard's clumsy 
appropriation of Wittgensteinian Language-Games and/or Lacan on voyeurism 
and the male gaze -- when asked to imagine a male voyeur looking at a woman 
taking a shit, i'm far more likely to be wondering whether he pays by cash 
or american express than registering the 'symbolic exchange' or 'unconscious 
manifestation of the desire to see a woman with a prick'.

But hey, each to their own.






>From: "Joel Katz" <mittelwerk at hotmail.com>
>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>Subject: Re: sadness of america/bad postmodernism
>Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:50:33 -0400
>
>how the fuck did a thread critiquing ID become yet another walleyed circle 
>jerk "refuting" postmodernism?   you really are a bunch of faggots.  this 
>list used to be cool.
>
>
>
>
>>From: John Doe <tristero69 at yahoo.com>
>>To: Mark Brawner <mark.brawner at gmail.com>, pynchon-l at waste.org
>>Subject: Re: sadness of america/bad postmodernism
>>Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>I have the book that article was made into, and I
>>recommend it to every Derrida-head out there: It's
>>titled "Fashionable Nonsense", and does a blow-by-blow
>>citation of certain Lit Crit Gurus who abused the
>>terms and meanings of science in their writings...good
>>stuff..if anything, I find Sokal to be TOO apologetic;
>>like he's trying to correct the mistakes and gross
>>misuse but also ameliorating the hurt feelings of
>>Post-Modernists Honchos...it's a fun read...
>>
>>--- Mark Brawner <mark.brawner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 10/11/05, Sean Mannion
>> > <third_eye_unmoved at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > And while we're all on the ludicrous aspects of
>> > post-modernism and
>> > > 'intelligent design', I was reminded of an article
>> > on the Sokal Affair, to
>> > > be found here:
>> > >
>> >
>>http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/boghossian/papers/bog_tls.html
>> >
>> > "It appeared in April 1996, in a special double
>> > issue of the journal
>> > devoted to rebutting the charge that cultural
>> > studies critiques of
>> > science tend to be riddled with incompetence."
>> >
>> > That is too good.  I'd forgotten that detail if I
>> > ever knew it.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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