The Wrath of the Intelligent Designer

[Joel Katz]

fine -- but how is this different from what i said -- that it's necessary to 
posit an 'inconceivable' origin to being?  'meaningless' here, at the onset 
of space-time, only means the natural limit to human consciousness.  before 
the bang, there is no reality, hence no idea.

but on this side of the bang, things desire each other.  how do you suppose 
logic originated?  organically, out of its elements?  isn't it einstein that 
said he didn't think the universe was an 'ad hoc' creation?  that's all i 
meant by 'design in being.'

and i only brought it up to illustrate the kind of scale i think any 
question of a 'supreme being' belongs on.  and how little it has to do with 
the fright-mask projections of vanity, the mulleted gods of shitsville, 
okla., that get passed around these days as the genuine article.

which brings me back to my original point, that charity begins at home:  if 
you tolerate religion in your midst, you're a hypocrite.










The universe had no order at the
>earliest definable instant. If there was a creator, it had nothing to 
>create.
>
>Note also that one cannot ask, much less answer, "What happened before the 
>big bang?" Since no time earlier than the Planck time can be logically 
>defined, the whole notion of time before the big bang is meaningless.
>
>Furthermore, within the framework of Einstein's relativity, time is the 
>fourth dimension of spacetime. Defining this fourth dimension as ict, where 
>t is what you read on a clock, i = sqrt(-1), and c is the speed of light, 
>the coordinates of time and space are interchangeable. In short, time is 
>inextricably intertwined with space and came into being "when" or "where" 
>(language is inadequate to mathematics here) spacetime came into being.

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