AtD - well, whadda ya know ...

[rich]

don't think of Vineland as a failed project by any means--lot 49 and
Vineland are the mavericks in the sense of being outside those long
world-historical canvases that V, GR, M&D, and AtD represent.

my first question is what will Pig Bodine be in the new book?

i'll start off:  pickpocket in NYC or silent-film baddie

rich


On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> If Vineland is that failed project (still don't wanna believe it) then
> probably we'll have to satisfy ourselves with this quartet. I'm not sure
> that Pynchon will be able to write another BIG novel from scratch. It is
> ironic that Vineland as a salvaged Mothra novel should be so spectacularly
> Mothra-less. That novel is a maverick in Pynchon canon, longer than short
> pieces (and Lot 49 may be regarded as a very long short story) and much
> smaller than big novels, no wonder there are so many heated discussions
> around it. I prefer to suspend my judgement of this particular work as I
> still understand it too little in terms of its cultural background.
>
> >From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> >To: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
> >CC: tyronemullet at hotmail.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
> >Subject: Re: AtD - well, whadda ya know ...
> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:27:15 -0400
> >
> >as has been noted b/4 maybe pynchon just ditched parts of that mothra
> book
> >and took remains for vineland
> >
> >V, GR, M&D, AtD--not a bad quartet I'd say ( I say I say I'll say after
> >I've
> >read that paartickulaar last'un)
> >
> >foghorn romeo
> >
> >On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Absolutely right, Pynchon mentions the four great novels inside his head
> >>after V. was published. Most probably he considered it just a rehearsal.
> I
> >>don't think Lot 49 was part of that scheme, as it is indeed too short.
> >>Could
> >>'Vineland' have been a failed 'millennium book'? Don't know, and don't
> >>wanna
> >>beleive it either.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I believe V. was already written--the letter excerpt that was posted
> in
> >>the
> >> >NY Times from Pynchon in 1964 mentions 4 books under way--pbly 49, GR,
> >>MD,
> >> >and maybe AtD (they are not named, of course)--but maybe 49 is not
> >> >included.
> >> >gah...
> >> >
> >> >who knows. just idle speculatin
> >> >
> >> >rich
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 8/7/06, Steve Maas <tyronemullet at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Just curious why you'd leave V, out of that conjecture?
> >> >>Steve Maas
> >> >>
> >> >>----------------------
> >> >>Rich wrote:
> >> >>yeah, definitely not Vineland but Lot 49 fits--so in 1964-65 Pynchon
> >>may
> >> >>have had in mind/progress on 49, GR, M&D, and AD as the four books.
> >>maybe
> >> >>49
> >> >>isn't one of 'em--one could argue that, too
> >> >>
> >> >>rich
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
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