AtD - well, whadda ya know ...

[Ya Sam]

If Pynchon had intended 'Vineland' to be the vast canvas like GR or M&D or 
AD then it's a failed project. I would like to believe that it's not, which 
infuses me with hope of one more doorstop coming after AD. V. doesn't count 
as it's not part of the Great Four. As for Bodine, it might be either his 
father or grandfather (or both). Don't remember how old he is in GR.


>don't think of Vineland as a failed project by any means--lot 49 and
>Vineland are the mavericks in the sense of being outside those long
>world-historical canvases that V, GR, M&D, and AtD represent.
>
>my first question is what will Pig Bodine be in the new book?
>
>i'll start off:  pickpocket in NYC or silent-film baddie
>
>rich
>
>
>On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>If Vineland is that failed project (still don't wanna believe it) then
>>probably we'll have to satisfy ourselves with this quartet. I'm not sure
>>that Pynchon will be able to write another BIG novel from scratch. It is
>>ironic that Vineland as a salvaged Mothra novel should be so spectacularly
>>Mothra-less. That novel is a maverick in Pynchon canon, longer than short
>>pieces (and Lot 49 may be regarded as a very long short story) and much
>>smaller than big novels, no wonder there are so many heated discussions
>>around it. I prefer to suspend my judgement of this particular work as I
>>still understand it too little in terms of its cultural background.
>>
>> >From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>> >To: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
>> >CC: tyronemullet at hotmail.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
>> >Subject: Re: AtD - well, whadda ya know ...
>> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:27:15 -0400
>> >
>> >as has been noted b/4 maybe pynchon just ditched parts of that mothra
>>book
>> >and took remains for vineland
>> >
>> >V, GR, M&D, AtD--not a bad quartet I'd say ( I say I say I'll say after
>> >I've
>> >read that paartickulaar last'un)
>> >
>> >foghorn romeo
>> >
>> >On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Absolutely right, Pynchon mentions the four great novels inside his 
>>head
>> >>after V. was published. Most probably he considered it just a 
>>rehearsal.
>>I
>> >>don't think Lot 49 was part of that scheme, as it is indeed too short.
>> >>Could
>> >>'Vineland' have been a failed 'millennium book'? Don't know, and don't
>> >>wanna
>> >>beleive it either.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I believe V. was already written--the letter excerpt that was posted
>>in
>> >>the
>> >> >NY Times from Pynchon in 1964 mentions 4 books under way--pbly 49, 
>>GR,
>> >>MD,
>> >> >and maybe AtD (they are not named, of course)--but maybe 49 is not
>> >> >included.
>> >> >gah...
>> >> >
>> >> >who knows. just idle speculatin
>> >> >
>> >> >rich
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 8/7/06, Steve Maas <tyronemullet at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Just curious why you'd leave V, out of that conjecture?
>> >> >>Steve Maas
>> >> >>
>> >> >>----------------------
>> >> >>Rich wrote:
>> >> >>yeah, definitely not Vineland but Lot 49 fits--so in 1964-65 Pynchon
>> >>may
>> >> >>have had in mind/progress on 49, GR, M&D, and AD as the four books.
>> >>maybe
>> >> >>49
>> >> >>isn't one of 'em--one could argue that, too
>> >> >>
>> >> >>rich
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
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