AtD - well, whadda ya know ...

[Ya Sam]

By the way, it's quite possible that 'the novel about the Civil War' so much 
rumoured about was not M&D but an altogether different project. That would 
make a nice chronological quartet.

>From: the Robot Vegetable <veg at dvandva.org>
>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>Subject: Re: AtD - well, whadda ya know ...
>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:00:46 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>I like the idea.  WHat era would be appropriate?  Looks like there's
>a convenient hole containing the period from the American Revolution up
>through the War of Northurn Aggression.
>
>
>On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Ya Sam wrote:
>
> > If Pynchon had intended 'Vineland' to be the vast canvas like GR or M&D 
>or
> > AD then it's a failed project. I would like to believe that it's not, 
>which
> > infuses me with hope of one more doorstop coming after AD. V. doesn't 
>count
> > as it's not part of the Great Four. As for Bodine, it might be either 
>his
> > father or grandfather (or both). Don't remember how old he is in GR.
> >
> >
> > >don't think of Vineland as a failed project by any means--lot 49 and
> > >Vineland are the mavericks in the sense of being outside those long
> > >world-historical canvases that V, GR, M&D, and AtD represent.
> > >
> > >my first question is what will Pig Bodine be in the new book?
> > >
> > >i'll start off:  pickpocket in NYC or silent-film baddie
> > >
> > >rich
> > >
> > >
> > >On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>If Vineland is that failed project (still don't wanna believe it) then
> > >>probably we'll have to satisfy ourselves with this quartet. I'm not 
>sure
> > >>that Pynchon will be able to write another BIG novel from scratch. It 
>is
> > >>ironic that Vineland as a salvaged Mothra novel should be so 
>spectacularly
> > >>Mothra-less. That novel is a maverick in Pynchon canon, longer than 
>short
> > >>pieces (and Lot 49 may be regarded as a very long short story) and 
>much
> > >>smaller than big novels, no wonder there are so many heated 
>discussions
> > >>around it. I prefer to suspend my judgement of this particular work as 
>I
> > >>still understand it too little in terms of its cultural background.
> > >>
> > >> >From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> > >> >To: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
> > >> >CC: tyronemullet at hotmail.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
> > >> >Subject: Re: AtD - well, whadda ya know ...
> > >> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:27:15 -0400
> > >> >
> > >> >as has been noted b/4 maybe pynchon just ditched parts of that 
>mothra
> > >>book
> > >> >and took remains for vineland
> > >> >
> > >> >V, GR, M&D, AtD--not a bad quartet I'd say ( I say I say I'll say 
>after
> > >> >I've
> > >> >read that paartickulaar last'un)
> > >> >
> > >> >foghorn romeo
> > >> >
> > >> >On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Absolutely right, Pynchon mentions the four great novels inside his
> > >>head
> > >> >>after V. was published. Most probably he considered it just a
> > >>rehearsal.
> > >>I
> > >> >>don't think Lot 49 was part of that scheme, as it is indeed too 
>short.
> > >> >>Could
> > >> >>'Vineland' have been a failed 'millennium book'? Don't know, and 
>don't
> > >> >>wanna
> > >> >>beleive it either.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I believe V. was already written--the letter excerpt that was 
>posted
> > >>in
> > >> >>the
> > >> >> >NY Times from Pynchon in 1964 mentions 4 books under way--pbly 
>49,
> > >>GR,
> > >> >>MD,
> > >> >> >and maybe AtD (they are not named, of course)--but maybe 49 is 
>not
> > >> >> >included.
> > >> >> >gah...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >who knows. just idle speculatin
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >rich
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >On 8/7/06, Steve Maas <tyronemullet at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Just curious why you'd leave V, out of that conjecture?
> > >> >> >>Steve Maas
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>----------------------
> > >> >> >>Rich wrote:
> > >> >> >>yeah, definitely not Vineland but Lot 49 fits--so in 1964-65 
>Pynchon
> > >> >>may
> > >> >> >>have had in mind/progress on 49, GR, M&D, and AD as the four 
>books.
> > >> >>maybe
> > >> >> >>49
> > >> >> >>isn't one of 'em--one could argue that, too
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>rich
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
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