AtD - well, whadda ya know ...

[the Robot Vegetable]

I like the idea.  WHat era would be appropriate?  Looks like there's
a convenient hole containing the period from the American Revolution up 
through the War of Northurn Aggression.


On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Ya Sam wrote:

> If Pynchon had intended 'Vineland' to be the vast canvas like GR or M&D or 
> AD then it's a failed project. I would like to believe that it's not, which 
> infuses me with hope of one more doorstop coming after AD. V. doesn't count 
> as it's not part of the Great Four. As for Bodine, it might be either his 
> father or grandfather (or both). Don't remember how old he is in GR.
> 
> 
> >don't think of Vineland as a failed project by any means--lot 49 and
> >Vineland are the mavericks in the sense of being outside those long
> >world-historical canvases that V, GR, M&D, and AtD represent.
> >
> >my first question is what will Pig Bodine be in the new book?
> >
> >i'll start off:  pickpocket in NYC or silent-film baddie
> >
> >rich
> >
> >
> >On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>If Vineland is that failed project (still don't wanna believe it) then
> >>probably we'll have to satisfy ourselves with this quartet. I'm not sure
> >>that Pynchon will be able to write another BIG novel from scratch. It is
> >>ironic that Vineland as a salvaged Mothra novel should be so spectacularly
> >>Mothra-less. That novel is a maverick in Pynchon canon, longer than short
> >>pieces (and Lot 49 may be regarded as a very long short story) and much
> >>smaller than big novels, no wonder there are so many heated discussions
> >>around it. I prefer to suspend my judgement of this particular work as I
> >>still understand it too little in terms of its cultural background.
> >>
> >> >From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
> >> >To: "Ya Sam" <takoitov at hotmail.com>
> >> >CC: tyronemullet at hotmail.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
> >> >Subject: Re: AtD - well, whadda ya know ...
> >> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:27:15 -0400
> >> >
> >> >as has been noted b/4 maybe pynchon just ditched parts of that mothra
> >>book
> >> >and took remains for vineland
> >> >
> >> >V, GR, M&D, AtD--not a bad quartet I'd say ( I say I say I'll say after
> >> >I've
> >> >read that paartickulaar last'un)
> >> >
> >> >foghorn romeo
> >> >
> >> >On 8/7/06, Ya Sam <takoitov at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Absolutely right, Pynchon mentions the four great novels inside his 
> >>head
> >> >>after V. was published. Most probably he considered it just a 
> >>rehearsal.
> >>I
> >> >>don't think Lot 49 was part of that scheme, as it is indeed too short.
> >> >>Could
> >> >>'Vineland' have been a failed 'millennium book'? Don't know, and don't
> >> >>wanna
> >> >>beleive it either.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I believe V. was already written--the letter excerpt that was posted
> >>in
> >> >>the
> >> >> >NY Times from Pynchon in 1964 mentions 4 books under way--pbly 49, 
> >>GR,
> >> >>MD,
> >> >> >and maybe AtD (they are not named, of course)--but maybe 49 is not
> >> >> >included.
> >> >> >gah...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >who knows. just idle speculatin
> >> >> >
> >> >> >rich
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On 8/7/06, Steve Maas <tyronemullet at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Just curious why you'd leave V, out of that conjecture?
> >> >> >>Steve Maas
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>----------------------
> >> >> >>Rich wrote:
> >> >> >>yeah, definitely not Vineland but Lot 49 fits--so in 1964-65 Pynchon
> >> >>may
> >> >> >>have had in mind/progress on 49, GR, M&D, and AD as the four books.
> >> >>maybe
> >> >> >>49
> >> >> >>isn't one of 'em--one could argue that, too
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>rich
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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