ATD SPOILER p 262-269

[John BAILEY]

I saw this as Lake suggesting something more akin to that part in
Vineland where Frenesi feels (or the narration suggests, I can't
remember) that she's just a go-between - that the two men in her sex
life are just using her body as an intermediary for their own
quasi-erotic interaction. 

The Wall o' Death chapter later on really goes a long way in
complicating the 'bad' part of 'badmen' in my opinion, too. Should have
seen it coming, in Pynchon, that the structures of capitalism etc are
shown to be far more at fault than any individual preterite schlubb.

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Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 3:48 PM
To: pynchonoid
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Subject: Re: ATD SPOILER p 262-269

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Frankly - don't you get the feeling that Pynchon meant Lake "deserved"
it in a way for shacking up with the guy who killed her dad?  She was
totally debased and suggesting that the two guys do each other is really
nothing compared to what they do to her.  Like a sort of obscene
retribution that perhaps ghost-Webb helped conspire?

On 12/4/06, pynchonoid <pynchonoid at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Reminds me of Frenesi and Brock in Vineland, but rougher.
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> > What I wonder, in revolving over the four corners in four corners, 
> > is  this sequence related, in any way to the occult overtones of the

> > Brigidier Pudding sex scene, and Geli Tripping's A. E. Waite 
> > spell/orgasm in GR? Some how, the summonimg of directions comes to 
> > mind. There is an even freakier scene later on in the book with 
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> I don't doubt that Pynchon has layered all kinds of stuff on this 
> scene, and would follow the path you indicate, among others.
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