AtD: the title

richard baillie richbaillie at fastmail.fm
Tue Jul 25 09:28:06 CDT 2006


my guess is that the definition 4a will be the prime reference with 1a
the subsidiary

and that one of TRP's themes will be to examine theories of time and
(un)certainty 





On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:15:31 -0700 (PDT), "Dave Monroe"
<monropolitan at yahoo.com> said:
> This, I'd assumed, was a given, esp. given the
> apparent sources (Biblical, Faulknerian, Rooseveltian)
> ...
> 
> --- jbor at bigpond.com wrote:
> 
> > Rather than "contra" or "in opposition to", in the
> > phrase as most commonly used it implies "measured
> > against" or "gauged in terms of" (or "in
> > anticipation of", as Michael noted) ...
> 
> See 4 a, b below ...
> 
> Main Entry: against
> Pronunciation: &-'gen(t)st, -'gin(t)st, -'gAn(t)st
> Function: preposition
> Etymology: Middle English, alteration of againes, from
> again
> 1 a : in opposition or hostility to <spoke against his
> enemies> b : contrary to <against the law> c : in
> competition with <racing against each other> d : as a
> basis for disapproval of <had nothing against him>
> 2 a : directly opposite : FACING <she sat down just
> over against me -- Daniel Defoe> b obsolete : exposed
> to
> 3 : compared or contrasted with <profits are up
> against last year>
> 4 a : in preparation or provision for <saving against
> an uncertain future> b : as a defense or protection
> from <a shelter against the cold>
> 5 a : in the direction of and into contact with
> <knocked against the ropes> b : in contact with
> <leaning against the wall>
> 6 : in a direction opposite to the motion or course of
> : counter to <sail against the wind>
> 7 a : as a counterbalance to <weighing risk against
> profit> b : in exchange for <a lower rate against the
> dollar> c : as a charge on <charged against her
> account>
> 8 : before the background of <viewed against the sky>
> 
> Plus ...
> 
> Main Entry: against
> Function: conjunction
> archaic : in preparation for the time when <throw on
> another log of wood against father comes home --
> Charles Dickens>
> 
> http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
> 
> But, as always with Pynchon, as always with language,
> be prepared for some polysemeity.  Words as  subatomic
> particles, probabilities + possibilities ...
> 
> --
> 
> But what I wondered in the wake of Otto's post was,
> what mighht one say about the OG text? But God (or
> whoever) only knows what that might have been, so ...
> 
> I didn't clean up the transliteration here after cut
> 'n' pasting the text ("w"s = lower case omegas, et
> al.), so for the Greek, see the URL that follows.  But
> the various ways in which the Eng. trans. has been
> handled ought to give the gist of things ...
> 
> --
> 
> The Second Epistle General of Peter
> Chapter 3, Verse 7
> 
> Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
> oi de nun ouranoi kai h gh autou logw teqhsaurismenoi
> eisin puri throumenoi eiV hmeran krisewV kai apwleiaV
> twn asebwn anqrwpwn
> 
> Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
> oi de nun ouranoi kai h gh tw autw logw
> teqhsaurismenoi eisin puri throumenoi eiV hmeran
> krisewV kai apwleiaV twn asebwn anqrwpwn
> 
> Byzantine Majority
> oi de nun ouranoi kai h gh tw autou logw
> teqhsaurismenoi eisin puri throumenoi eiV hmeran
> krisewV kai apwleiaV twn asebwn anqrwpwn
> 
> Alexandrian
> oi de nun ouranoi kai h gh tw autw logw
> teqhsaurismenoi eisin puri throumenoi eiV hmeran
> krisewV kai apwleiaV twn asebwn anqrwpwn
> 
> Hort and Westcott
> oi de nun ouranoi kai h gh tw autw logw
> teqhsaurismenoi eisin puri throumenoi eiV hmeran
> krisewV kai apwleiaV twn asebwn anqrwpwn
> 
> Latin Vulgate
> 3:7 caeli autem qui nunc sunt et terra eodem verbo
> repositi sunt igni servati in diem iudicii et
> perditionis impiorum hominum
> 
> King James Version
> 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by
> the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire
> against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly
> men.
> 
> American Standard Version
> 3:7 but the heavens that now are, and the earth, by
> the same word have been stored up for fire, being
> reserved against the day of judgment and destruction
> of ungodly men.
> 
> Bible in Basic English
> 3:7 But the present heaven and the present earth have
> been kept for destruction by fire, which is waiting
> for them on the day of the judging and destruction of
> evil men.
> 
> Darby's English Translation
> 3:7 But the present heavens and the earth by his word
> are laid up in store, kept for fire unto a day of
> judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
> 
> Douay Rheims
> 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now, by
> the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire
> against the day of judgment and perdition of the
> ungodly men.
> 
> Noah Webster Bible
> 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by
> the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire
> against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly
> men.
> 
> Weymouth New Testament
> 3:7 But the present heavens and the present earth are,
> by the command of the same God, kept stored up,
> reserved for fire in preparation for a day of
> judgement and of destruction for the ungodly.
> 
> World English Bible
> 3:7 But the heavens that now are, and the earth, by
> the same word have been stored up for fire, being
> reserved against the day of judgment and destruction
> of ungodly men.
> 
> Young's Literal Translation
> 3:7 and the present heavens and the earth, by the same
> word are treasured, for fire being kept to a day of
> judgment and destruction of the impious men.
> 
> http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B61C003.htm#V7
> 
> http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B61C003.htm
> 
> > 2 Peter 3.7: But the heavens that now are, and
> > the earth, by the same word have been stored up
> > for fire, being reserved against the day of  
> > judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
> > 
> > http://bible.cc/2_peter/3-7.htm
> 
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